All is not well in the UK's Socialist Utopia

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:23 pm

Babel wrote:Wow... I don't feel the need to have that kind of contingency plans. These plans seems so disconnected from my reality.
"My plan is start working on a plan when it becomes obvious I should have had a plan before it became obvious that I should have been working on a plan ..." :slap:
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Post by orpheus » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:28 pm

Babel wrote:Wow... I don't feel the need to have that kind of contingency plans. These plans seems so disconnected from my reality.
Where do you live?

See, I think it's simply a matter of appropriate skills, plans, etc. for one's particular situation. As I said above, knowing how to gut a fish is a useless emergency skill in Manhattan.

However, we learned the hard way that what I outlined was precisely what we'd need in our situation. (I also should have mentioned adequate medicines, etc.) When Sandy struck, we were prepared. We've had a few other local but quite dangerous crises, and our preparations served us well.

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Post by NineBerry » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:36 pm

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Post by Babel » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:38 pm

@ Orpheus: Belgium, in a small rural town. I grow some of my own crops and my parents in law raise cattle on a small scale. So food is not really a short term worry. We have water supplies and firewood in abundance, just in case. But this is something that's standard, not something we did to prepare for some kind of semi-apocalyptic event.

@ Gawdzilla Sama: yes, I know what a contingency plan is supposed to be. But where I live, preparing for earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, mud slides and so on is absurd here. Social unrest is more often than not an isolated and brief event.

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Babel wrote:@ Gawdzilla Sama: yes, I know what a contingency plan is supposed to be. But where I live, preparing for earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, mud slides and so on is absurd here. Social unrest is more often than not an isolated and brief event.
I've never been buried alive by a tornado.
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Post by Babel » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:45 pm

which is another example of things we have never encountered here.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:46 pm

Babel wrote:which is another example of things we have never encountered here.
98% of any year's tornadoes are in the US, but every country has had one or more in recorded history.
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Post by Babel » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:51 pm

I'll rephrase: we have never encountered a tornado strong enough to bury us or deal substantial damage to my house/society is a whole to necessitate survival contigency plans. :fall:

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Post by Audley Strange » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:52 pm

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Babel wrote:which is another example of things we have never encountered here.
98% of any year's tornadoes are in the US, but every country has had one or more in recorded history.
Further proof, if any were needed, that they are God's punishment for the WBC. Every country has gays, we don't get massive holy winds tearing up our nations yearly, only the U.S. has the WBC.

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Post by NineBerry » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:56 pm

@Audley Strange: You are off topic. Your post belongs into the "All is not well in the USAnian Theocratic Utopia"

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:01 pm

Babel wrote:@ Orpheus: Belgium, in a small rural town. I grow some of my own crops and my parents in law raise cattle on a small scale. So food is not really a short term worry. We have water supplies and firewood in abundance, just in case. But this is something that's standard, not something we did to prepare for some kind of semi-apocalyptic event.
In 2003 in the northeastern US there was a massive "blackout" of electrical power which lasted several days to a couple of weeks for many people over a large area. In my town, which was a suburban neighborhood outside of a medium sized city, people began panicking after the first day. It took two or three days for all the stores to be closed and all the supermarkets to be empty. People who live in urban and suburban areas are completely dependent on the energy grid, not only to cool and heat homes and fill gas tanks for transportation, but for their very lives.

Luckily, in my neighborhood and most neighborhoods everyone remained effectively calm, although agitated and worried. But, the power was only out for a few days and then came back on and everything went back to normal. It got me to wondering -- what if the power stayed out for a month?

I don't think civil unrest on a grand scale is more than 30 days -- 60 tops -- away, if the electricity goes out.

We like to to think that things like that can't happen and they are only the ravings of paranoid lunatics. But, World War 2 happened in Europe. There is nothing in the human condition that has changed so much in the last 75 years that ought to lead one to the conclusion that we can't get involved in other such events. And, in this day and age, our modern populations are more dependent on systems like the electrical grids than the people were 75 years ago. 75 years ago, half of Europe and the US didn't have indoor plumbing, let alone electric light/heat.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:04 pm

Babel wrote:I'll rephrase: we have never encountered a tornado strong enough to bury us or deal substantial damage to my house/society is a whole to necessitate survival contigency plans. :fall:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:05 pm

Blizzards would be an obvious hazard in Yurp.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:18 pm

MrJonno wrote:This isn't America, the rich don't live in large gated communities, they may well love to do so but considering how expensive land is even they can't afford to do so

LOL - here in Merka, the middle class and even those of less than middle class means can live in gated communities.

I recall the Zimmerman/Martin shooting thread - there was a brief exchange where some folks not from Merka noted that Zimmerman had to be a richie-rich guy, because he lived in a large gated community. Meanwhile, the average home price in that community was approximately $60k or $80k, something like that. Definitely under $100k -- people live there who make below average incomes, because you can finance $80k for about $387 per month, plus insurance and taxes, probably topping out at $700 or less, per month.

Moreover, in Merka - the richie rich folks won't generally live in gated communities. The richest people in my city live along the water, and their houses are not gated.

Living in a gated community in the US is nothing worth bragging about. Nobody cares.

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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:24 pm

MrJonno wrote:
You can walk 100 meters without the government's help? Impressive.
In London I believe every house must have a bus stop within 200 metres and wait for government paid for disability buggies exist for people who can't walk more than 20 metres. Where I live probably there are too many and you can get collisions on the pavement (sidewalk)
Big deal. In an urban setting, bus stops are easy to make at intervals far less than 100 meters. Public transportation works in big cities, because the high degree of automobile traffic congestion, together with the close proximity of most things to most other things, means public transport can be efficient. However, when you apply that to a city that is 20 miles across, with people spread out in suburban houses, you can't make a bus stop every 200 meters because you'd have to have too many buses for too few people per unit of area.

About the only way a bus system could work for me would be if the bus stopped at my door, and then dropped me off right at my office door, and even then, it better not make more than a stop or two, or I'd be sitting on the bus for four hours a day.

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