Ignorant, foetid bigot.mistermack wrote:They swamp the country with guns, and then try 12yolds as adults and give them 25 years when they use one.
Go fuck yourself with an infected cactus.
Ignorant, foetid bigot.mistermack wrote:They swamp the country with guns, and then try 12yolds as adults and give them 25 years when they use one.
Yeah, the issue of "free will" throws a whole spanner in the works of justice and "responsibility". I was going to mention it in a previous reply, by decided not to go there.FBM wrote:Punitive justice is an anachronism, anyway. It rests on the concept of free will, which is all but dead from a scientific point of view. When its death is officially announced, punitive justice should give way to therapeutic incarceration.
Same here.JimC wrote:And that is a fairly critical difference.Brian Peacock wrote:Indeed. Tried as adults, according to the same rigours principles of evidence and representation etc, but sentenced as children.Xamonas Chegwé wrote:The killers of James Bulger were both 10 years old at the time of the murder. They were tried as adults. Do try and get your facts straight for once!mistermack wrote:If they did, a 12 year old would be tried as a 12 year-old.Bella Fortuna wrote:Yep, no minors commit heinous crimes in the UK...![]()
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bulger#Trial
As was the extraordinary nature of their crime.
Minus the US bashing, I'm with MM on this one...
Gallstones wrote:Ignorant, foetid bigot.mistermack wrote:They swamp the country with guns, and then try 12yolds as adults and give them 25 years when they use one.
Go fuck yourself with an infected cactus.
I don't go there anymore. It became an elitist, liberal brit centric shithole. And boring as shit.rEvolutionist wrote:Gallstones wrote:Ignorant, foetid bigot.mistermack wrote:They swamp the country with guns, and then try 12yolds as adults and give them 25 years when they use one.
Go fuck yourself with an infected cactus.![]()
I've missed you G! And I made 1500 posts with my sock at ratskep and didn't interact with you once.
Where is he wrong?Gallstones wrote:Ignorant, foetid bigot.mistermack wrote:They swamp the country with guns, and then try 12yolds as adults and give them 25 years when they use one.
Go fuck yourself with an infected cactus.
Just watch out for armed 12 year olds...SteveB wrote:I better get out of Dodge soon then. Let's say June 10th!
Although Houston has been in the news for some weeks because it fucked the recession in the ass, creating ~250% of the jobs it's lost.
Should they be amputees?JimC wrote:Just watch out for armed 12 year olds...SteveB wrote:I better get out of Dodge soon then. Let's say June 10th!
Although Houston has been in the news for some weeks because it fucked the recession in the ass, creating ~250% of the jobs it's lost.
Of course not. Even mistermack understands that rehabilitation empirically doesn't work.rEvolutionist wrote:The idea is surely centred around rehabilitation, isn't it?
Speak for yourself, please. I could reason fine at 10, and most 10 year olds I know can reason better than most adults, as they have had less time to accumulate prejudices to interfere with their logic.A child, particularly given the fact that they can't reason like normal adults can
Not at all. It speaks to the realities of a justice system that aims to prevent crime, which empirically seems possible only through deterrence and detention.This probably gets back to the distinction between a justice system that aims to rehabilitate and punish, as opposed to just punish.
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