Can the US get any shittier?

[mistermack]

Yep, no minors commit heinous crimes in the UK...

Well as far as I'm concerned no one under 14 should ever be charged with a heinous crime but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be locked up in a secure mental unit for a long time.
Lets be controversial Jamie Bulger murders who were 10 should never have been charged (and if had done the crime a couple of years earlier wouldnt have been).

In effect they never went to a real prison as such anyway (correctly)

The Bulger case is also different, in that all this kid did was pull a trigger on an adult. The Bulger killers beat a toddler to death.
I think that there is a huge difference.

[Warren Dew]

What is the point of making these distinctions between childhood and adulthood, if the courts are going to ignore the distinctions? This whole business of trying children as adults has always seemed bizarre to me.

The whole idea of trying children as children has always seemed bizarre to me. Like, the victim doesn't really die if the murderer is cute?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Yep, no minors commit heinous crimes in the UK...

If they did, a 12 year old would be tried as a 12 year-old.

The killers of James Bulger were both 10 years old at the time of the murder. They were tried as adults. Do try and get your facts straight for once!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bulger#Trial

[Bella Fortuna]

Yep, no minors commit heinous crimes in the UK...

If they did, a 12 year old would be tried as a 12 year-old.

The killers of James Bulger were both 10 years old at the time of the murder. They were tried as adults. Do try and get your facts straight for once!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bulger#Trial

[Ian]

What is the point of making these distinctions between childhood and adulthood, if the courts are going to ignore the distinctions? This whole business of trying children as adults has always seemed bizarre to me.

The whole idea of trying children as children has always seemed bizarre to me. Like, the victim doesn't really die if the murderer is cute?

Seriously?

[mistermack]

He's apparently to be retried as a juvenile. Did you miss that somewhere?

Apparently? beware of "apparently".

Meanwhile his family have won an appeal for a new hearing to determine whether he should be retried in a ­juvenile court. If such a trial is given the go-ahead, any sentence he is given will be served fully in a ­juvenile facility.

But at the new hearing there is a risk it could be decided that Paul should be retried as an adult instead, this time charged with murder, which could result in the full 65-year adult sentence.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

You still didn't address my point, MM. The US is "shitty" because it tried a 12 year old as an adult. The UK tried two 10 year olds as adults. So we are even shittier by your logic.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

You still didn't address my point, MM. The US is "shitty" because it tried a 12 year old as an adult. The UK tried two 10 year olds as adults. So we are even shittier by your logic.

                      

!!1!	NOTMOD Use of logic and facts will get you suspended. This is your worst warning.

[mistermack]

The killers of James Bulger were both 10 years old at the time of the murder. They were tried as adults. Do try and get your facts straight for once!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bulger#Trial

No, you need to get YOUR facts right. The Bulger killing was twenty years ago.
If they were tried today, they couldn't be tried as adults.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

The killers of James Bulger were both 10 years old at the time of the murder. They were tried as adults. Do try and get your facts straight for once!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bulger#Trial

No, you need to get YOUR facts right. The Bulger killing was twenty years ago.
If they were tried today, they couldn't be tried as adults.

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that there's always some reason why you are right and everyone else is wrong. I should have known better than to reply to any of your bullshit posts.

[mistermack]

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that there's always some reason why you are right and everyone else is wrong. I should have known better than to reply to any of your bullshit posts.

Try not to talk bollocks, and you might be right now and then.
Anyone can be wrong, but you abuse the privilege.

[FBM]

Punitive justice is an anachronism, anyway. It rests on the concept of free will, which is all but dead from a scientific point of view. When its death is officially announced, punitive justice should give way to therapeutic incarceration.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Any other first world problems we need to discuss?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Just to let you know that I have added you to my foe list, MM. I find almost everything you post to be annoying in one way or another. You are either the best troll on the interwebz, or I simply can't stand you. Either way, I have no wish to read another of your unthought-through rants ever again.

[Brian Peacock]

Yep, no minors commit heinous crimes in the UK...

If they did, a 12 year old would be tried as a 12 year-old.

The killers of James Bulger were both 10 years old at the time of the murder. They were tried as adults. Do try and get your facts straight for once!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Bulger#Trial

Indeed. Tried as adults, according to the same rigours principles of evidence and representation etc, but sentenced as children.