All is not well in the UK's Socialist Utopia

[Rum]

'Self defence' is not going 'around bashing up people you think may be 'bad' guys' it is the ability to defend yourself should you be attacked. More importantly perhaps having the skills potentially gives you more confidence to stand up for yourself or just to develop confidence.

Nobody as far as I can see is promoting vigilantism.

[laklak]

What does he mean by "what"?

Depends on what the definition of "is" is, and whether there's any there there.

Hope that helps.

[Thinking Aloud]

What does he mean by "what"?

Depends on what the definition of "is" is, and whether there's any there there.

Hope that helps.

Depends on what you mean by "hope".

[MrJonno]

'Self defence' is not going 'around bashing up people you think may be 'bad' guys' it is the ability to defend yourself should you be attacked. More importantly perhaps having the skills potentially gives you more confidence to stand up for yourself or just to develop confidence.

Nobody as far as I can see is promoting vigilantism.

The only way someone should be defending themselves is getting away from the situation, if and only if any lessons encourage the minimum level of violence to this I might accept this but if at any point it turns into how to win a fight that it becomes extremely suspect. I'm also a bit concerned about having martial art skills = makes you more confident to stand up for yourself, what exactly do you mean by that?

[Seth]

'Self defence' is not going 'around bashing up people you think may be 'bad' guys' it is the ability to defend yourself should you be attacked. More importantly perhaps having the skills potentially gives you more confidence to stand up for yourself or just to develop confidence.

Nobody as far as I can see is promoting vigilantism.

The only way someone should be defending themselves is getting away from the situation, if and only if any lessons encourage the minimum level of violence to this I might accept this but if at any point it turns into how to win a fight that it becomes extremely suspect. I'm also a bit concerned about having martial art skills = makes you more confident to stand up for yourself, what exactly do you mean by that?

God, what a servile, cowardly opinion.

[MrJonno]

God, what a servile, cowardly opinion.

School motto = Serve and Obey
Most important parental lesson = never be a hero

Bravery is not always a virtue, in fact most of the time its just a description of the reason people do lots of stupid things. Killing someone in broad daylight with no chance of escape to to make a political point is certainly brave but it doesn't make you any less of an evil fuckwit , as does hijacking aircraft and flying them into skyscrapers.

Bravery has got to be the cause of just about more evil than anything else in history

[Seth]

God, what a servile, cowardly opinion.

School motto = Serve and Obey

And that's WHY Marxism is inherently evil...

Most important parental lesson = never be a hero....

....be a casualty instead.

Bravery is not always a virtue, in fact most of the time its just a description of the reason people do lots of stupid things.

True enough, but sometimes it is...like when someone sacrifices his life to try to protect children on a schoolbus from a kidnapper. Pity he didn't have a gun so he could do so effectively.

Killing someone in broad daylight with no chance of escape to to make a political point is certainly brave but it doesn't make you any less of an evil fuckwit , as does hijacking aircraft and flying them into skyscrapers.

Bravery has got to be the cause of just about more evil than anything else in history

No, cowardice is.

[MrJonno]

MrJonno wrote:

God, what a servile, cowardly opinion.



School motto = Serve and Obey



And that's WHY Marxism is inherently evil...

Top private capitalist school actually created by a trading body created 5 centuries before Marx and Adam Smith,

[laklak]

"Serve and Obey" Good advice, as long as I'm the one issuing the orders and being served, otherwise they can go fuck themselves sideways.

"Never be a hero". I don't see defending your own or other's lives as heroic, I see it as an obligation. Sure, get out of the situation if possible, that's common sense. But if the shit hits the fan be willing to fight. If you've got a weapon, use it. If you don't, improvise. Grab a rock, a stick, handful of sand, a fucking turtle. Bite, kick, gouge, spit, scratch, head butt, grab balls, whatever. Go completely apeshit on their ass. Don't stop until one of you is incapacitated or dead. Once he's down kick his balls through his mouth.

[Seth]

MrJonno wrote:

God, what a servile, cowardly opinion.



School motto = Serve and Obey



And that's WHY Marxism is inherently evil...

Top private capitalist school actually created by a trading body created 5 centuries before Marx and Adam Smith,

Oh, I'm so sure...NOT!

[MrJonno]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worshipful ... berdashers

[Seth]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worshipful ... berdashers

The Worshipful Company of Haberdashers is one of the senior Livery Companies of the City of London. The organisation, following on from the Mercers' Company, another Livery Company connected with clothing and haberdashery, received a Royal Charter in 1448 and has records dating back to 1371. The formal name under which it is incorporated is The Master and Four Wardens of the Fraternity of the Art or Mystery of Haberdashers in the City of London.

The Company, which was originally responsible for the regulation of cloth merchants, began to lose its authority and jurisdiction of that trade as the population of London increased and spread outwards from the City.

"Top Private Capitalist" my ass.

What part of "Royal Charter" and "regulation of cloth merchants" is unclear to you.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

The only way someone should be defending themselves is getting away from the situation,

Bullshit. You're either trolling or living in a bell jar.

[orpheus]

The only way someone should be defending themselves is getting away from the situation,

Bullshit. You're either trolling or living in a bell jar.

Worked plenty of times for my ancestors.

[MrJonno]

A livery company is a trade association, consisting strangely of traders. Being good capitalists they like to create a monopoly which governments tend to like dealing with and often that means getting a 'Royal Charter' , bhey since when has businesses wanting to control market not being part of capitalism.

There are loads of trade bodies still around these days but I assume they don't get involved in schools , Haberdasher's is stupidly a 'charity' like most private schools are (Eton and Harrow are as well) but that doesn't stop it charging a fortune in fees to go there