France Hates Pappa

[Blind groper]

. Also cancer, untreated, is not a bad way to die (a relative term, I know).

My father in law smoked heavily and died of emphysema as a result. Emphysema is slow and lingering, painful, embarrassing. A bloody terrible way to die.

I think you are rationalising, Fukuname. Smoking is simply a very, very stupid habit and refusing to kick it is even more stupid.

[Blind groper]

. Also cancer, untreated, is not a bad way to die (a relative term, I know).

My father in law smoked heavily and died of emphysema as a result. Emphysema is slow and lingering, painful, embarrassing. A bloody terrible way to die.

I think you are rationalising, Fukuname. Smoking is simply a very, very stupid habit and refusing to kick it is even more stupid.

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

I smoke roll ups but have been thinking about getting the pretend ones but there's absolutely no point until I stop enjoying smoking. It's my only vice and it's mine I tell you!!!!

[pErvinalia]

I smoke regular fags personally. e-fags are more expensive here.

Faggot.

[Jason]

Are you coming on to me?

[pErvinalia]

No.

I used to smoke rollies way back (only socially). Apart from the cancer problem, they were much less harsh than manufactured cigarettes. We (my rolly smoking mates) were led to believe that the manufactured ciggies have some nasty chemicals in their papers.

[Jason]

No.

Oh yes you are.

I call top bunk.

[Seth]

. Also cancer, untreated, is not a bad way to die (a relative term, I know).

My father in law smoked heavily and died of emphysema as a result. Emphysema is slow and lingering, painful, embarrassing. A bloody terrible way to die.

I think you are rationalising, Fukuname. Smoking is simply a very, very stupid habit and refusing to kick it is even more stupid.

Why, since smoking kills far more people in a far more gruesome manner than guns, let's ban....cancer.

[Ian]

. Also cancer, untreated, is not a bad way to die (a relative term, I know).

My father in law smoked heavily and died of emphysema as a result. Emphysema is slow and lingering, painful, embarrassing. A bloody terrible way to die.

I think you are rationalising, Fukuname. Smoking is simply a very, very stupid habit and refusing to kick it is even more stupid.

Why, since smoking kills far more people in a far more gruesome manner than guns, let's ban....cancer.

Have you ever seen anyone smoke someone else to death? Try another analogy.

[Seth]

. Also cancer, untreated, is not a bad way to die (a relative term, I know).

My father in law smoked heavily and died of emphysema as a result. Emphysema is slow and lingering, painful, embarrassing. A bloody terrible way to die.

I think you are rationalising, Fukuname. Smoking is simply a very, very stupid habit and refusing to kick it is even more stupid.

Why, since smoking kills far more people in a far more gruesome manner than guns, let's ban....cancer.

Have you ever seen anyone smoke someone else to death? Try another analogy.

As a matter of fact, yes. Parents do it to their kids all the time. Bar smokers do it to other patrons and the wait staff. Just because it's slow doesn't mean it's not happening.

But your point is applicable to BG's constant red herring about handguns and suicide. A fag is merely a very slow bullet.

[Blind groper]

Hand guns and suicide is a very different situation. With smoking, the sucker is engaged on a multi-decade process of self immolation. With hand guns and suicide, researchers have found that a person who is depressed will enter a temporary and short term impulse to killing him/herself. If no easy means is available, they will survive. If a hand gun is present, they will die. There are 220, 000 attempts at suicide each year in the USA and only about 20, 000 succeed. There are probably ten times as many suicide impulses (over 2 million). So only 1 impulse in 100 results in death, except where a hand gun is available. In that situation, according to the New England Journal of Medicine, the incidence of fatality increases 2 to 10 fold (depending on how securely the gun is stored).

In other words, suicide by fag requires decades of effort. Suicide by hand gun requires a quick and temporary impulse combined with the act of an irresponsible asshole who leaves a gun where it can be used for suicide.

Having said that, let me make it clear that I am, if anything, even more opposed to smoking than I am to owning hand guns.

In the world of evil corporations, I put tobacco companies and gun manufacturers at the top, equal in sheer evilness with heroin and methamphetamine and cocaine makers.

[FBM]

I damn near OD'd on nicotine after I got my e-cig. I bought the 20mg juice and in just a few days I was puffing on it with almost every breath. I couldn't figure out why my heart was pounding and I felt so tense all the time, even when I was just sitting here posting bollocks. I finally thought about how much nicotine I was putting into my system and chilled out on that shit. I bought some 0mg juice and diluted the other stuff.

[Svartalf]

. Also cancer, untreated, is not a bad way to die (a relative term, I know).

My father in law smoked heavily and died of emphysema as a result. Emphysema is slow and lingering, painful, embarrassing. A bloody terrible way to die.

I think you are rationalising, Fukuname. Smoking is simply a very, very stupid habit and refusing to kick it is even more stupid.

Pffftttt, I never smoked and emphysema seems a likely way to go for me.

[Tyrannical]

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[Seth]

Hand guns and suicide is a very different situation.

No it's not.

With smoking, the sucker is engaged on a multi-decade process of self immolation.

Just means he's determined to die. He'd be far better off, and so would everybody else, if he just blew his brains out right away. It would save us all a lot of medical expenses and wasted effort.

With hand guns and suicide, researchers have found that a person who is depressed will enter a temporary and short term impulse to killing him/herself.

Easy for "researchers" to say, not being morbidly despondent.

If no easy means is available, they will survive.

Horse + shit.

If a hand gun is present, they will die.

That's their right.

There are 220, 000 attempts at suicide each year in the USA and only about 20, 000 succeed.

Damn, we need more guns.

There are probably ten times as many suicide impulses (over 2 million). So only 1 impulse in 100 results in death, except where a hand gun is available. In that situation, according to the New England Journal of Medicine, the incidence of fatality increases 2 to 10 fold (depending on how securely the gun is stored).

Not my problem. Not anybody's problem but the suicidal person's. It's their life and they get to end it if they want to. I prefer they end it quickly and completely, as opposed to futzing it all up and ending up in a coma that we have to pay to maintain.

Who the fuck are you, or the NEJM, to interfere in the free choice of the individual to end his or her life?

Mind your own fucking business, Mr. Nosy Parker.

In other words, suicide by fag requires decades of effort. Suicide by hand gun requires a quick and temporary impulse combined with the act of an irresponsible asshole who leaves a gun where it can be used for suicide.

Having said that, let me make it clear that I am, if anything, even more opposed to smoking than I am to owning hand guns.

In the world of evil corporations, I put tobacco companies and gun manufacturers at the top, equal in sheer evilness with heroin and methamphetamine and cocaine makers.[/quote]