Banning the use of glass in pubs and taverns....

[pErvinalia]

Revenue.

This.

[Seth]

I'm a citizen by birth and I only have to pay taxes if I engage in taxable activities

So you think you should citizenship merely for existing?, typical libertarian parasite and freeloader thinking?. You get nothing in life for free including the right to breathe. It's not a big cost in being allowed to breathe don't try and kill anyone but its still a cost

You confuse (as usual) the state of being a citizen with the obligations of a citizen to pay for those government-provided services and amenities that a citizen makes use of.

And you ignore the concept that a citizen should not be required to pay for other people's use of government-provided services and amenities, because that's not fair.

[Svartalf]

Revenue.

This.

Uh, what?

[JimC]

Revenue.

This.

Uh, what?

Cryptic...

[pErvinalia]

Revenue.

This.

Uh, what?

What do you mean "what?"?

[Jason]

What do you mean "What do you mean?"?

[MrJonno]

You confuse (as usual) the state of being a citizen with the obligations of a citizen to pay for those government-provided services and amenities that a citizen makes use of.

And you ignore the concept that a citizen should not be required to pay for other people's use of government-provided services and amenities, because that's not fair

Again you understand what 'fair' means, its whatever society thinks it is , if society thinks its unfair that some men go bald and others don't then it could be time for compulsory haircuts. Since when did you believe in 'fair' anyway?

[Seth]

You confuse (as usual) the state of being a citizen with the obligations of a citizen to pay for those government-provided services and amenities that a citizen makes use of.

And you ignore the concept that a citizen should not be required to pay for other people's use of government-provided services and amenities, because that's not fair

Again you understand what 'fair' means, its whatever society thinks it is , if society thinks its unfair that some men go bald and others don't then it could be time for compulsory haircuts. Since when did you believe in 'fair' anyway?

So you agree that if "society" thinks it's "fair" to hang you from a scaffold and whip you to death for the amusement of the masses that's just fine with you?

It's easy to claim that the tyranny of the majority is "fair" when you're one of the beneficiaries of that tyranny.

It's somewhat different if you're the one in chains who is being forced to labor on the behalf of others, as so many millions of Russians were in the Gulags of Siberia during Stalin's reign of terror.

Your idiocy knows no bounds.

[MrJonno]

So you agree that if "society" thinks it's "fair" to hang you from a scaffold and whip you to death for the amusement of the masses that's just fine with you?

It's easy to claim that the tyranny of the majority is "fair" when you're one of the beneficiaries of that tyranny.

It's somewhat different if you're the one in chains who is being forced to labor on the behalf of others, as so many millions of Russians were in the Gulags of Siberia during Stalin's reign of terror.

Your idiocy knows no bounds.

If the majority of society wants to make your life unbearable or simply end it the question you should be asking yourself isn't whether its fair or not but how can I get a long long way from this. Like fair if the majority thinks its not a tyranny it not.

No absolute good, no absolute evil, no absolute fairness, no absolute morality, no absolute anything only social consensus. If Hitler won WW2 those still left would be celebrating Racial Purity Day and Auschwitz would be a museum to progress ,it would be seen as a good thing. No matter how terrible that seems to modern society it doesnt make it any less true

[Seth]

So you agree that if "society" thinks it's "fair" to hang you from a scaffold and whip you to death for the amusement of the masses that's just fine with you?

It's easy to claim that the tyranny of the majority is "fair" when you're one of the beneficiaries of that tyranny.

It's somewhat different if you're the one in chains who is being forced to labor on the behalf of others, as so many millions of Russians were in the Gulags of Siberia during Stalin's reign of terror.

Your idiocy knows no bounds.

If the majority of society wants to make your life unbearable or simply end it the question you should be asking yourself isn't whether its fair or not but how can I get a long long way from this. Like fair if the majority thinks its not a tyranny it not.

Evasion par excellence. Answer the fucking question. If it's YOU who is hanging from the chains and it's YOUR skin that's being torn off in strips, and if it's YOU who is digging with a shovel at 40 below on the Road of Bones in Siberia just because Stalin finds you to be undesirable, are you going to stand by your ethics and take your slavery willingly and obediently, or are you going to try to rebel and preserve your life?

Answer directly or shut the fuck up.

[MrJonno]

Evasion par excellence. Answer the fucking question. If it's YOU who is hanging from the chains and it's YOUR skin that's being torn off in strips, and if it's YOU who is digging with a shovel at 40 below on the Road of Bones in Siberia just because Stalin finds you to be undesirable, are you going to stand by your ethics and take your slavery willingly and obediently, or are you going to try to rebel and preserve your life?

If I had been in a Siberia work camp , I would have worked on the basis that was my best chance of survival, people in Nazi death camps on the whole didn't throw themselves at the barb wire and machine guns because even when they knew they were being murdered the next day that was still 24 hours more of life. Another reason on the rare occasion when it did happen it wasn't just those rebelled who were killed but everyone in their hut.

You really do have this obsession with ethics and morality when the world doesn't really give a shit about what the individual personal mores are only that they obey the law.

I'm sure there are occasions when rebelling have saved that persons life but its very very rare, so rare I might have to do some googling to get some examples.

[Seth]

Evasion par excellence. Answer the fucking question. If it's YOU who is hanging from the chains and it's YOUR skin that's being torn off in strips, and if it's YOU who is digging with a shovel at 40 below on the Road of Bones in Siberia just because Stalin finds you to be undesirable, are you going to stand by your ethics and take your slavery willingly and obediently, or are you going to try to rebel and preserve your life?

If I had been in a Siberia work camp , I would have worked on the basis that was my best chance of survival,

Even though almost no one survived, and it's called the "Road of Bones" because they just buried the bodies in the roadbase where they fell. Fuck that, I'd rather be dead than enslaved. At least that way the slavers don't benefit from my labor.

\ people in Nazi death camps on the whole didn't throw themselves at the barb wire and machine guns because even when they knew they were being murdered the next day that was still 24 hours more of life.

Most of the ones sent to the gas chambers didn't know they were going to be killed until it was too late. The Nazis were masters at persuasion in that regard, even handing people "soap" made of stone to keep them quiet till they got to the "Disinfection" chambers.

The inmates of Sobibor, on the other hand, did what any human being would do and broke out, regardless of the cost, because they would not contribute to the Nazi's war machine as slaves.

Another reason on the rare occasion when it did happen it wasn't just those rebelled who were killed but everyone in their hut.

That at least denies the oppressor the fruits of their labor.

You really do have this obsession with ethics and morality when the world doesn't really give a shit about what the individual personal mores are only that they obey the law.

It's a dirty job, but somebody has to do it. Otherwise everybody ends up like you, and it would be better that the human race went extinct than for the world to look like your model.

I'm sure there are occasions when rebelling have saved that persons life but its very very rare, so rare I might have to do some googling to get some examples.

Try "Sobibor."

[MrJonno]

Try "Sobibor."

Well there you go 50 people survived through hard to know what % would have survived if it happened, but hardly a famous or common example