All is not well in the UK's Socialist Utopia

[rainbow]

So they deliberately pit "repeal gun laws" against five other incredibly stupid and/or irrelevant policies. Well done

Question: Would you rather have the gun laws repealed, or have a hungry rat shoved up your backside?

[Audley Strange]

What should be promoted is basic things like not walking home drunk on your own or locking your windows, ie the self defence of avoiding trouble in the first place. If in the rare event you find a burgular wandering around your house in most cases its going to be legal to wack them over the head with a cricket bat but do you really think training in the best way of doing this is going to make society a better and safer place?

Victim blaming at it's finest. Don't you realise we live in a world where any negative consequences that may transpire due to one's personal choices are never one's responsibility. Bad people should just stop.

[MrJonno]

What should be promoted is basic things like not walking home drunk on your own or locking your windows, ie the self defence of avoiding trouble in the first place. If in the rare event you find a burgular wandering around your house in most cases its going to be legal to wack them over the head with a cricket bat but do you really think training in the best way of doing this is going to make society a better and safer place?

Victim blaming at it's finest. Don't you realise we live in a world where any negative consequences that may transpire due to one's personal choices are never one's responsibility. Bad people should just stop.

Nothing to do with blaming anyone, no one if morally responsible if they are burgled or raped but it doesn't mean people shouldn't be encouraged to avoid situations where that is more likely to happen instead of not caring if it happens because you can get into a shooting match if it does

[Audley Strange]

What should be promoted is basic things like not walking home drunk on your own or locking your windows, ie the self defence of avoiding trouble in the first place. If in the rare event you find a burgular wandering around your house in most cases its going to be legal to wack them over the head with a cricket bat but do you really think training in the best way of doing this is going to make society a better and safer place?

Victim blaming at it's finest. Don't you realise we live in a world where any negative consequences that may transpire due to one's personal choices are never one's responsibility. Bad people should just stop.

Nothing to do with blaming anyone, no one if morally responsible if they are burgled or raped but it doesn't mean people shouldn't be encouraged to avoid situations where that is more likely to happen instead of not caring if it happens because you can get into a shooting match if it does

So what if a situation is unavoidable, teach people to lie down and die, rather than how to defend themselves? You first.

[Robert_S]

What should be promoted is basic things like not walking home drunk on your own or locking your windows, ie the self defence of avoiding trouble in the first place. If in the rare event you find a burgular wandering around your house in most cases its going to be legal to wack them over the head with a cricket bat but do you really think training in the best way of doing this is going to make society a better and safer place?

Victim blaming at it's finest. Don't you realise we live in a world where any negative consequences that may transpire due to one's personal choices are never one's responsibility. Bad people should just stop.

Nothing to do with blaming anyone, no one if morally responsible if they are burgled or raped but it doesn't mean people shouldn't be encouraged to avoid situations where that is more likely to happen instead of not caring if it happens because you can get into a shooting match if it does

So what if a situation is unavoidable, teach people to lie down and die, rather than how to defend themselves? You first.

Seems to me there are some folks who are far too into personal self defence -where it goes well beyond reasonable risk assessment and into some kind of revenge fantasy type thing.

Seems to me there are some folks who are far too afraid of personal self defence -where it goes well beyond reasonable risk assessment and into some virtue of helplessness type thing.

[Audley Strange]

What should be promoted is basic things like not walking home drunk on your own or locking your windows, ie the self defence of avoiding trouble in the first place. If in the rare event you find a burgular wandering around your house in most cases its going to be legal to wack them over the head with a cricket bat but do you really think training in the best way of doing this is going to make society a better and safer place?

Victim blaming at it's finest. Don't you realise we live in a world where any negative consequences that may transpire due to one's personal choices are never one's responsibility. Bad people should just stop.

Nothing to do with blaming anyone, no one if morally responsible if they are burgled or raped but it doesn't mean people shouldn't be encouraged to avoid situations where that is more likely to happen instead of not caring if it happens because you can get into a shooting match if it does

So what if a situation is unavoidable, teach people to lie down and die, rather than how to defend themselves? You first.

Seems to me there are some folks who are far too into personal self defence -where it goes well beyond reasonable risk assessment and into some kind of revenge fantasy type thing.

Seems to me there are some folks who are far too afraid of personal self defence -where it goes well beyond reasonable risk assessment and into some virtue of helplessness type thing.

Yes.

And so with everything.

[Robert_S]

I think it's prudent to err just a hair toward the former to be honest.

Better to be a hammer than a nail.

[MrJonno]

So what if a situation is unavoidable, teach people to lie down and die, rather than how to defend themselves? You first.

No whack them over the head in an untrained way and run for it, society as a whole is better of if everyone doesn't go around 'prepared' and hyped for scenario's that are so rare. There is nothing fundamentally wrong with the concept of self defence but there is everything wrong with people going around prepped for it which simply leads to violence as whole being escalated

I always thought whoever used the term 'fight or flight' first had to be a man, because of the order of the words, the sensible approach should always be flight unless you are utterly cornered and don't a choice

[Audley Strange]

@ Robert

Going beyond reasonable, I'd say, is only useful in certain specific conditions. you describe, in essence, the dualistic extremes of the fight or flight reflex. I think it prudent to err on the side of caution when approaching either, but the problem, as I see it is that dualism is only describing two end points on a spectrum and thus someone who is heavily conditioned to react more towards "fight" in any situation is likely to see is as differently from me as someone in the "flight" zone, thus they may automatically on the side of passivity or aggression.

I myself have found that I tend towards "fight" instinctively, though it takes quite a lot for me to move off the fence, it's the only place from which you can see the entire territory.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Well, you find that rational world you let us now, m'kay?

[Audley Strange]

Well, you find that rational world you let us now, m'kay?

Will do, but I suspect not a world but rather an oasis, or perhaps a mirage, perhaps even just some fake plastic palm trees from a 80's disco that someone had chucked out.

[cronus]

Well, you find that rational world you let us now, m'kay?

Will do, but I suspect not a world but rather an oasis, or perhaps a mirage, perhaps even just some fake plastic palm trees from a 80's disco that someone had chucked out.

Scrumple knows where it is. Across a river I know. Can show you the way?

[Audley Strange]

After you. I'm sure Charon takes oystercards.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Well, you find that rational world you let us now, m'kay?

Will do, but I suspect not a world but rather an oasis, or perhaps a mirage, perhaps even just some fake plastic palm trees from a 80's disco that someone had chucked out.

I haven't found anything close that was actually a functional society. The closest was some commune-type places that were actually propped up by outside sources. Heaven's Gate type groups.

[Audley Strange]

Well, you find that rational world you let us now, m'kay?

Will do, but I suspect not a world but rather an oasis, or perhaps a mirage, perhaps even just some fake plastic palm trees from a 80's disco that someone had chucked out.

I haven't found anything close that was actually a functional society. The closest was some commune-type places that were actually propped up by outside sources. Heaven's Gate type groups.

Well yes. If people have hard-wired ways of reacting based on things like fight or flight then obviously all group dynamics are based on submission and domination and the conflict between those two positions so it's inherent, it's a biological feature rather than an ideological bug.