Animavore wrote:So they deliberately pit "repeal gun laws" against five other incredibly stupid and/or irrelevant policies. Well done
I'm not sure I understand -- the British people were able to be resounding against the first few, but by the time they got to the hand gun law repeal they were so tuckered out from all that disagreeing that they just had to agree to be in favor of repeal of the gun ban?
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Rum wrote:Gun clubs felt hard done by when the laws were tightened. They want to go back to target shooting, not arm themselves in the way you Americans insist on doing.
Also: Socialist Utopia? WTF?
Yes ... Comrades Cameron and Clegg and their fellow traveller are somewhere to the left of the Petrograd Soviet*.
*According to Seth ...
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The Telegraph always was a right-wing paper, but it's now obviously nudged itself farther to the loony fringe, if it printed that shite.
I'm glad I don't waste my money on it.
It sounds like something that was engineered from the very start. Like gun-clubs were tipped off early that this poll was taking place, and to get in and vote. The selection of the other questions was just insurance against actual readers taking part.
I can assure anyone over the water, that there is NO demand for laxer gun laws in this country. Given a referendum, there would be an overwhelming majority in favour of tightening them still further, with stiffer sentences for illegal gun posession etc.
While there is a market for shit, there will be assholes to supply it.
mistermack wrote:The Telegraph always was a right-wing paper, but it's now obviously nudged itself farther to the loony fringe, if it printed that shite.
I'm glad I don't waste my money on it.
It sounds like something that was engineered from the very start. Like gun-clubs were tipped off early that this poll was taking place, and to get in and vote. The selection of the other questions was just insurance against actual readers taking part.
I can assure anyone over the water, that there is NO demand for laxer gun laws in this country. Given a referendum, there would be an overwhelming majority in favour of tightening them still further, with stiffer sentences for illegal gun posession etc.
God has no place within these walls, just like facts have no place within organized religion. - Superintendent Chalmers
It's not up to us to choose which laws we want to obey. If it were, I'd kill everyone who looked at me cock-eyed! - Rex Banner
The Bluebird of Happiness long absent from his life, Ned is visited by the Chicken of Depression. - Gary Larson
You can see that is how well funded and supported the organisation is from its website .
For a more sane view there is the NRA of the UK a very different organisation to the US http://www.nra.org.uk/
It promotes sports shooting and absolutely does not get involved in encouraging shooting anyone especially the government
Same thing with the US NRA, except it's also an advocate for lawful armed self-defense.
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You can see that is how well funded and supported the organisation is from its website .
For a more sane view there is the NRA of the UK a very different organisation to the US http://www.nra.org.uk/
It promotes sports shooting and absolutely does not get involved in encouraging shooting anyone especially the government
Same thing with the US NRA, except it's also an advocate for lawful armed self-defense.
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Same thing with the US NRA, except it's also an advocate for lawful armed self-defense.
Thats a big different, no one should be advocating unarmed self defence never mind armed
So we should be advocating instead "surrender" to violence?
In that case, shut up and stop writing such shit or I'll fucking kick your teeth in, now leave Rationalia and the internet and get the fucking roads cleaned or you're family will be raped in front of you. MOVE! You contemptible subhuman slave.
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Same thing with the US NRA, except it's also an advocate for lawful armed self-defense.
Thats a big different, no one should be advocating unarmed self defence never mind armed
This is where we part company, Jonno...
In some contexts, self defence is a viable and ethical option.
In others, it is unwise to the extreme...
Obviously, we agree on the general idea that arming oneself with handguns to repel the assault of evil is utterly moronic...
I didn't say self defence should be illegal , or it wasn't viable or ethical I said it shouldn't be promoted big difference. 'Martial arts' when promoted as a sport or a way of keeping fit are fine and that generally is the way they are promoted, but promoting it as a way of beating up bad guys simply encourages people to go looking for trouble (or even starting it).
What should be promoted is basic things like not walking home drunk on your own or locking your windows, ie the self defence of avoiding trouble in the first place. If in the rare event you find a burgular wandering around your house in most cases its going to be legal to wack them over the head with a cricket bat but do you really think training in the best way of doing this is going to make society a better and safer place?
When only criminals carry guns the police know exactly who to shoot!
