Enoch Powell: Prophet of Prophets?

[cronus]

There is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin.

Immigrants were actually recruited in the 50s and 60s to work on the railways and buses because they could not fill those jobs with native British people. The crime you refer to, which is proportionally higher for the Afro Caribbean youth was a feature in third generation young people who came from well settled families not new immigrants. The poverty and lack of decent work these days cannot be blamed on immigration. The cause and effects simply don't match. Most immigration now is from Europe and people that come from there are entitled to. They take shit jobs in hotels and the like because nobody else will and we have a lazy work-shy underclass nicely developed.

Your analysis is lazy, prejudiced and verging on the edge of bigotry.

Marxist-leftist intellectual analysis. Ours are not lazy. People from Eastern Europe will work for nothing because they come from former slave colonies of the soviet union. So our kids don't want to be bonded labourers/serfs. They want the minimum wage not workfare. Typical leftist. Enslave the world if they could. Global socialism is when the nazis really do come back.

[Rum]

Fuck off (again). You talk the the hole in your bottom most of the time.

[mistermack]

There is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin.

Immigrants were actually recruited in the 50s and 60s to work on the railways and buses because they could not fill those jobs with native British people. The crime you refer to, which is proportionally higher for the Afro Caribbean youth was a feature in third generation young people who came from well settled families not new immigrants. The poverty and lack of decent work these days cannot be blamed on immigration. The cause and effects simply don't match. Most immigration now is from Europe and people that come from there are entitled to. They take shit jobs in hotels and the like because nobody else will and we have a lazy work-shy underclass nicely developed.

Your analysis is lazy, prejudiced and verging on the edge of bigotry.

Sorry, but most of that is bollocks.
If they couldn't fill jobs in the 50s and 60s, they could have done what everybody else does, pay a bit more in wages.
But no, they preferred to bring in immigrants, to do the jobs at lower wages. EXACTLY as I said.
If they couldn't get bus conductors on the wages they offered, they could charge more for tickets and pay higher wages.
That's the market economy beloved of Mrs Thatcher. Supply and demand determines price.
They artificially increased the supply of labour, to manipulate downwards the PRICE of labour.

Or do you imagine that all the buses would have been off the road, without immigration? What planet are you on?

I don't see how you can't see the link, between unskilled immigration, and depressed conditions for the poor.
Or maybe you don't want to see it.

As for crime, you're talking through your ass. I grew up with these guys, and some of the worst thieves were the ones who came here in their teens.

[Tyrannical]

There is so much wrong with this post I don't know where to begin.

Immigrants were actually recruited in the 50s and 60s to work on the railways and buses because they could not fill those jobs with native British people. The crime you refer to, which is proportionally higher for the Afro Caribbean youth was a feature in third generation young people who came from well settled families not new immigrants. The poverty and lack of decent work these days cannot be blamed on immigration. The cause and effects simply don't match. Most immigration now is from Europe and people that come from there are entitled to. They take shit jobs in hotels and the like because nobody else will and we have a lazy work-shy underclass nicely developed.

Your analysis is lazy, prejudiced and verging on the edge of bigotry.

Sorry, but most of that is bollocks.
If they couldn't fill jobs in the 50s and 60s, they could have done what everybody else does, pay a bit more in wages.
But no, they preferred to bring in immigrants, to do the jobs at lower wages. EXACTLY as I said.
If they couldn't get bus conductors on the wages they offered, they could charge more for tickets and pay higher wages.
That's the market economy beloved of Mrs Thatcher. Supply and demand determines price.
They artificially increased the supply of labour, to manipulate downwards the PRICE of labour.

Or do you imagine that all the buses would have been off the road, without immigration? What planet are you on?

I don't see how you can't see the link, between unskilled immigration, and depressed conditions for the poor.
Or maybe you don't want to see it.

As for crime, you're talking through your ass. I grew up with these guys, and some of the worst thieves were the ones who came here in their teens.

Yup, and through supply and demand increasing the labor supply decreases the average wages for everyone and not just for the jobs the immigrants happen to take. But it gets even worse, because of the low wages they collect welfare to "subsidize" their low income and will vote for whomever gives them the most benefits.

The Labour party even admitted that importing immigrants and making them welfare dependent was a vote getting scheme to remain in political power.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

Why don't you two get a room?

[JimC]

Leaving aside any issues of race, is it not possible that large scale immigration of low paid workers into already crowded countries is inevitably going to cause a sequence of social, economic and environmental problems??

[Cormac]

You are ignoring the fact that Britain had grown and developed its industry parasitically on the back of its "Imperial" host. As Britain became more democratic, and struggled to find a way to hold onto some vestige of its former Empire, it found it had to share some of its Imperial wealth with some of the people that played a large part in creating it.

[Rum]

Leaving aside any issues of race, is it not possible that large scale immigration of low paid workers into already crowded countries is inevitably going to cause a sequence of social, economic and environmental problems??

On purely practical grounds we have to limit immigration for sure. The relative average density of populations tell a story: France: 300 people per square mile, Germany 600 people per square mile, England and Wales (excluding Scotland) 1000 people per square mile. I live in the sparcely populated north and love the relative emptiness of the countryside around me. Nowadays when I go south where I used to live it feels claustrophobic and crowded. Just too many damned people!

[Cormac]

Leaving aside any issues of race, is it not possible that large scale immigration of low paid workers into already crowded countries is inevitably going to cause a sequence of social, economic and environmental problems??

On purely practical grounds we have to limit immigration for sure. The relative average density of populations tell a story: France: 300 people per square mile, Germany 600 people per square mile, England and Wales (excluding Scotland) 1000 people per square mile. I live in the sparcely populated north and love the relative emptiness of the countryside around me. Nowadays when I go south where I used to live it feels claustrophobic and crowded. Just too many damned people!

That is approaching the density in the Netherlands! (1047 per sq mile).

[mistermack]

On purely practical grounds we have to limit immigration for sure. The relative average density of populations tell a story: France: 300 people per square mile, Germany 600 people per square mile, England and Wales (excluding Scotland) 1000 people per square mile. I live in the sparcely populated north and love the relative emptiness of the countryside around me. Nowadays when I go south where I used to live it feels claustrophobic and crowded. Just too many damned people!

Of course we do.
But we should have done it years ago.
Ironically, if they hadn't depressed the wages of the lower paid with immigration, we would have had less EMIGRATION from this country. We were losing English-speaking people, with a British education, and importing foreigners who struggled to fit in. Brilliant !