Slut Shaming and Dress Codes

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Re: Slut Shaming and Dress Codes

Post by hadespussercats » Wed May 15, 2013 7:56 pm

Audley Strange wrote:The deal is that people are fucking stupid. "Boys need to be taught to respect women." Oh really? Why exactly?
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Audley Strange wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote: Maybe not calling any female they see "bitch" or "ho", for starters?
Why though?
I address men I don't know as "sir". It makes things a lot easier. If I addressed them as "cocksucker" things would go so well.
So? This is about boys being taught to respect women. I'm asking you why it's important, your answer is a different dynamic.
Because the world becomes a nasty place right quick if everyone's default position is to treat other people like crap.
To forestall your next question, I think it's important for boys to be respected as well.
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Re: Slut Shaming and Dress Codes

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed May 15, 2013 8:30 pm

I find it strange that this is considered a discrimination against women thing - a "slut shaming" thing. I mean, the reason why "girls" are being asked to tone it down a bit with the strapless, plunging, bare midriff and micro-mini outfits is because they're the ones wearing such clothing. Boys' dress and clothing options are and always have been far more limited, both culturally and under codes and laws.

The boys have to wear suits, essentially, to the dances and school functions. They don't have the option of being themselves and flaunting their personalities, so-to-speak, by wearing super-tight pants that show the outline of the head of their penis, or wear shirts that have no shoulders. If a boy showed up in a wife-beater t-shirt or a fancy shirt in a "tank top" form with a bare midriff, he'd be sent home. The reason that doesn't happen is because boys almost never try to show up in those kind of outfits.

Slut shaming? No. But, then again, in middle school, as much of the articles in the OP are referencing, we ought to be urging our kids not to be sluts in the first place. Boys or girls. I mean, is the real battle to be fought here the idea that our 13 year olds have the right to go to the prom half naked?

I think there has to be a way to craft a dress code that is reasonable. And, parents, I think, ought to be siding with the schools and not going off and urging their kids to lead the charge against "strapless dress" rules. I mean, really. This is the fight you want? You can't just tell your kid to wear straps? I mean -- if there were rules like that when I was a kid, and if I were a girl, my parents would just tell me to figure out a dress that complied with the code. I mean -- I think my middle school had a "no t-shirts rule" where boys could not wear mere t-shirts but it had to at least be a polo shirt or a button down or a sweater kind of thing. I thought it was stupid, but my parents wouldn't have wasted two seconds on it -- they would have said, "so wear a different shirt."

I think none of this would be taken seriously if it were a boy doing the complaining. I'd like to see some boys test my theory by trying to show up to school in super-tight "yoga pants" showing their packages prominently, and a bare midriff shirt. Does anyone think that there would even be a question about sending them home?

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Re: Slut Shaming and Dress Codes

Post by Jason » Wed May 15, 2013 8:33 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:I think none of this would be taken seriously if it were a boy doing the complaining. I'd like to see some boys test my theory by trying to show up to school in super-tight "yoga pants" showing their packages prominently, and a bare midriff shirt. Does anyone think that there would even be a question about sending them home?
Probably not, but that's indicative of the homophobia in society rather than gender inequality.

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Re: Slut Shaming and Dress Codes

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed May 15, 2013 8:52 pm

Făkünamę wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:I think none of this would be taken seriously if it were a boy doing the complaining. I'd like to see some boys test my theory by trying to show up to school in super-tight "yoga pants" showing their packages prominently, and a bare midriff shirt. Does anyone think that there would even be a question about sending them home?
Probably not, but that's indicative of the homophobia in society rather than gender inequality.
Only if you assume that gays are prone to want to wear revealing clothing. That would be your own bias and prejudice, not society's.

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Re: Slut Shaming and Dress Codes

Post by Collector1337 » Wed May 15, 2013 8:56 pm

I totally support women wearing as little clothing as they want.

But, only if they're hot.
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Re: Slut Shaming and Dress Codes

Post by Cormac » Wed May 15, 2013 9:00 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:The deal is that people are fucking stupid. "Boys need to be taught to respect women." Oh really? Why exactly?
Maybe not calling any female they see "bitch" or "ho", for starters?
Why though?
I address men I don't know as "sir". It makes things a lot easier. If I addressed them as "cocksucker" things would go so well.

Of course, one can say "sir", and give the impression that one is saying "sir", and one can say "sir" and give the impression that one is saying "fuck off and die you puke licking wankstain"...
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Re: Slut Shaming and Dress Codes

Post by Horwood Beer-Master » Wed May 15, 2013 9:22 pm

Rum wrote:...Boys had a fad for a while of putting their toes on so that the thin end was the main presenting bit...
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Re: Slut Shaming and Dress Codes

Post by Jason » Wed May 15, 2013 9:27 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Făkünamę wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:I think none of this would be taken seriously if it were a boy doing the complaining. I'd like to see some boys test my theory by trying to show up to school in super-tight "yoga pants" showing their packages prominently, and a bare midriff shirt. Does anyone think that there would even be a question about sending them home?
Probably not, but that's indicative of the homophobia in society rather than gender inequality.
Only if you assume that gays are prone to want to wear revealing clothing. That would be your own bias and prejudice, not society's.
Not really. Gays in Canada are mostly lumberjacks and hang around in bars.

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Re: Slut Shaming and Dress Codes

Post by Jason » Wed May 15, 2013 9:28 pm

Collector1337 wrote:I totally support women wearing as little clothing as they want.

But, only if they're hot.
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Re: Slut Shaming and Dress Codes

Post by Collector1337 » Wed May 15, 2013 9:30 pm

Făkünamę wrote:
Collector1337 wrote:I totally support women wearing as little clothing as they want.

But, only if they're hot.
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Re: Slut Shaming and Dress Codes

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Re: Slut Shaming and Dress Codes

Post by Audley Strange » Wed May 15, 2013 9:40 pm

hadespussercats wrote: Because the world becomes a nasty place right quick if everyone's default position is to treat other people like crap.
Is everyone's default position to treat people like crap? I'd say it's not, I'd say indifference is the default position and that one earns respect or contempt by ones words or actions. I do not think giving people apriori respect is a good idea.
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Re: Slut Shaming and Dress Codes

Post by JimC » Wed May 15, 2013 10:22 pm

Female teachers at our boys school are advised to be sensible in their choice of clothes (ie avoiding very short skirts, or lots of cleavage). Common sense, really, and it doesn't go to prudish extremes by any means - some of our younger teachers get pretty close to the boundary, fuzzy though it may be... ;)
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Re: Slut Shaming and Dress Codes

Post by klr » Wed May 15, 2013 10:26 pm

JimC wrote:Female teachers at our boys school are advised to be sensible in their choice of clothes (ie avoiding very short skirts, or lots of cleavage). Common sense, really, and it doesn't go to prudish extremes by any means - some of our younger teachers get pretty close to the boundary, fuzzy though it may be... ;)
You seem to be something of an expert on the subject. :mrgreen:

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Re: Slut Shaming and Dress Codes

Post by JimC » Wed May 15, 2013 10:27 pm

klr wrote:
JimC wrote:Female teachers at our boys school are advised to be sensible in their choice of clothes (ie avoiding very short skirts, or lots of cleavage). Common sense, really, and it doesn't go to prudish extremes by any means - some of our younger teachers get pretty close to the boundary, fuzzy though it may be... ;)
You seem to be something of an expert on the subject. :mrgreen:

Someone's got to uphold standards. :hmph:
Exactly!

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