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Slut Shaming and Dress Codes

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed May 15, 2013 6:47 pm

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/05 ... ?mobile=nc
This is no isolated incident in the United States. Across the country, young girls are being told what not to wear because it might be a “distraction” for boys, or because adults decide it makes them look “inappropriate.”
Well, there are dress codes for boys, too. They can't wear shorts, usually, to school events. And, boys can't wear skirts or dresses at all. Boys would not be able to go with a strapless shirt, either, and they would not be able to wear clothes similar in their revealing nature to the ones depicted in the article.

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Here, the article says "inappropriate." Yes, I think so, for a middle school or high school dance for 12 to 16 year old students. I think those cocktail dresses are a bit too short. That's just my view, of course, and others can have another view. The question ultimately becomes whether a school administration may make a dress code that they deem is in conformity with community standards. Do they have to allow nipple caps and merkins as appropriate dress, because anything less would be "shaming?"

The article notes:
2. A high school principal in Minnesota emailed parents to ask them to cover up their daughters. A principal in Minnetonka, MN recently wrote an email telling parents to stop letting their daughters wear leggings or yoga pants to school. He says the tight-fitting pants are fine with longer shirts but, when worn with a shorter top, a girl’s “backside” can be “too closely defined.” The big risk of having a defined backside, he thinks, is that it can “be highly distracting for other students.”
I'm not a prude when it comes to dress, but when it comes to 14, 15 and 16 year old kids, shouldn't there be some modicum of discretion here. Why are they wearing "yoga pants" to school anyway? Aren't those workout pants? I mean - boys can't wear gym shorts to school can they? Well, maybe they can -- but when I was in school, at least, boys could not wear shorts to school at all, or sweat pants and such. How about we just dress casually, but not in gym clothes or like slobs. And, a 14 year old girl in tight-fitting yoga pants is a bit off, I think.

This article makes the absurd claim that it doesn't matter what girls where to school, little boys are going to "pop boners" over them no matter what -- http://jezebel.com/middle-school-bans-t ... -471403344 - the argument here is that any dress code designed to avoid "distractions in the learning environment" are wrong.
"It is not our girls' fault that these boys have quote 'raging hormones' they can't control," said parent Lisa Simond. Another mom, Jerelyn Kruljac, wore skinny jeans last Friday in solidarity with her daughter and her friends. "Boys need to be taught to respect women no matter what they're wearing, and that's a big deal," she said.
Sure, very true. But, by the same token, some kinds of clothing are culturally acceptable for adults to wear bu not necessarily 12 and 13 year old kids. The learning environment being "distracting" is not necessarily about sex and hormones. Wearing revealing clothing can be distracting merely because it is tight or revealing think if boys started wearing ball hugging jeans that displayed the outlines of their cocks and balls. Would it be improper to suggest that they not wear that stuff?

I'm of the mind that this is a school administration issue, and that whatever the local community wants should more or less be reflected in the dress code. But, to say that ANYTHING a kid wears must be allowed seems a bit much.

So, what is the deal with this?

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Post by Audley Strange » Wed May 15, 2013 7:13 pm

The deal is that people are fucking stupid. "Boys need to be taught to respect women." Oh really? Why exactly?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed May 15, 2013 7:15 pm

Audley Strange wrote:The deal is that people are fucking stupid. "Boys need to be taught to respect women." Oh really? Why exactly?
Maybe not calling any female they see "bitch" or "ho", for starters?
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Post by klr » Wed May 15, 2013 7:15 pm

Well, this is what happens when a school doesn't have a strict uniform dress code. Much as I hated wearing the same uniform for 5 years (especially the tie), there was a definitely a point to it.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed May 15, 2013 7:18 pm

klr wrote:Well, this is what happens when a school doesn't have a strict uniform dress code. Much as I hated wearing the same uniform for 5 years (especially the tie), there was a definitely a point to it.
Meh, if everybody's dressed alike people will find something else to be assholier-than-thou about.
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Post by Audley Strange » Wed May 15, 2013 7:18 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:The deal is that people are fucking stupid. "Boys need to be taught to respect women." Oh really? Why exactly?
Maybe not calling any female they see "bitch" or "ho", for starters?
Why though?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed May 15, 2013 7:20 pm

Audley Strange wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:The deal is that people are fucking stupid. "Boys need to be taught to respect women." Oh really? Why exactly?
Maybe not calling any female they see "bitch" or "ho", for starters?
Why though?
I address men I don't know as "sir". It makes things a lot easier. If I addressed them as "cocksucker" things would go so well.
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Post by Audley Strange » Wed May 15, 2013 7:21 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:The deal is that people are fucking stupid. "Boys need to be taught to respect women." Oh really? Why exactly?
Maybe not calling any female they see "bitch" or "ho", for starters?
Why though?
I address men I don't know as "sir". It makes things a lot easier. If I addressed them as "cocksucker" things would go so well.
So? This is about boys being taught to respect women. I'm asking you why it's important, your answer is a different dynamic.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed May 15, 2013 7:24 pm

Audley Strange wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:The deal is that people are fucking stupid. "Boys need to be taught to respect women." Oh really? Why exactly?
Maybe not calling any female they see "bitch" or "ho", for starters?
Why though?
I address men I don't know as "sir". It makes things a lot easier. If I addressed them as "cocksucker" things would go so well.
So? This is about boys being taught to respect women. I'm asking you why it's important, your answer is a different dynamic.
No, I explained why being polite, and respectful, works for me. Be extension, then, it can work for anybody. Calling a woman "bitch" is not respectful of her and should engender resentment if she's not been completely subverted by the culture.
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Post by Tyrannical » Wed May 15, 2013 7:28 pm

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Post by Audley Strange » Wed May 15, 2013 7:34 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote: No, I explained why being polite, and respectful, works for me. Be extension, then, it can work for anybody. Calling a woman "bitch" is not respectful of her and should engender resentment if she's not been completely subverted by the culture.
Yeah I understand that it is reasonable to be mannerly to people you don't know. However that is not the same claiming the need that boys be educated to respect women. Why? Why specifically women? What is it that makes this woman suppose that the entire sex is worthy of respect apriori of deeds?
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Wed May 15, 2013 7:36 pm

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klr wrote:Well, this is what happens when a school doesn't have a strict uniform dress code. Much as I hated wearing the same uniform for 5 years (especially the tie), there was a definitely a point to it.
Meh, if everybody's dressed alike people will find something else to be assholier-than-thou about.
This may be true but uniforms do deflect a lot of shit. Everywhere I've seen them used - in my personal experiences with my child's various schools - they've been a good thing.
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Post by Rum » Wed May 15, 2013 7:44 pm

Bella Fortuna wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
klr wrote:Well, this is what happens when a school doesn't have a strict uniform dress code. Much as I hated wearing the same uniform for 5 years (especially the tie), there was a definitely a point to it.
Meh, if everybody's dressed alike people will find something else to be assholier-than-thou about.
This may be true but uniforms do deflect a lot of shit. Everywhere I've seen them used - in my personal experiences with my child's various schools - they've been a good thing.
Pretty much all schools here have a uniform. There are very few which don't.

The kids still manage to skirt the dress code rules and personalise their look though. I remember doing it myself. It is quite funny being in schools (for my work) and seeing it at happening. Girls rolling up skirts to make them shorter than was allowed, and quickly lowering the hem line if they saw a teach on the horizon. Boys had a fad for a while of putting their toes on so that the thin end was the main presenting bit. Kids challenge limits - it is natural, but a uniform tends to mean they aren't trying to outdo and challenge their peers too.

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Post by hadespussercats » Wed May 15, 2013 7:55 pm

Audley Strange wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:The deal is that people are fucking stupid. "Boys need to be taught to respect women." Oh really? Why exactly?
Maybe not calling any female they see "bitch" or "ho", for starters?
Why though?
I address men I don't know as "sir". It makes things a lot easier. If I addressed them as "cocksucker" things would go so well.
So? This is about boys being taught to respect women. I'm asking you why it's important, your answer is a different dynamic.
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