Obama IRS selectively investigates opposition exemption apps

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Re: Obama IRS selectively investigates opposition exemption

Post by Robert_S » Wed May 15, 2013 6:33 pm

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The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) demanded that limited government and tea party groups produce Facebook posts, donor lists, and even what books group members were reading, reports Politico.
The IRS’s hardball political tactics were all part of a strategy to relegate conservative groups to a “state of purgatory” that kept their tax-exempt statuses in limbo to neutralize their effectiveness, says Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA).
The strategy worked: over 80% of the conservative groups targeted were delayed more than a year, and some cases were left open for over three years, according to the IRS Inspector General’s report released late Tuesday.
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A really good reason for those of you that lean Democrat to be concerned about this sort of nonsense is that one day there will, in all likelihood, be another Republican President. Do you want it to be acceptable for them to do shit like this?
It's been done to the left already, kid. :whisper:
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Obama IRS selectively investigates opposition exemption

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed May 15, 2013 6:51 pm

Robert_S wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) demanded that limited government and tea party groups produce Facebook posts, donor lists, and even what books group members were reading, reports Politico.
The IRS’s hardball political tactics were all part of a strategy to relegate conservative groups to a “state of purgatory” that kept their tax-exempt statuses in limbo to neutralize their effectiveness, says Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA).
The strategy worked: over 80% of the conservative groups targeted were delayed more than a year, and some cases were left open for over three years, according to the IRS Inspector General’s report released late Tuesday.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government ... book-Posts


A really good reason for those of you that lean Democrat to be concerned about this sort of nonsense is that one day there will, in all likelihood, be another Republican President. Do you want it to be acceptable for them to do shit like this?
It's been done to the left already, kid. :whisper:
Please, by all means, specify which uses of the IRS you are referring to.... I'm looking forward to this.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/aliciapowe ... e-n1594520
Conservative columnist George Will is now calling out the Obama Administration after the IRS admitted Friday that they targeted conservative groups with the phrases “Tea Party,” “Patriot,” “Freedom,” or “Constitution” in their tax-exempt applications for extra audits, prior to last year's elections.

“The question is, how stupid do they think we are?” Will exclaimed on Sunday’s broadcast of ABC’s This Week with George Stephanopoulos. “Just imagine, Donna Brazile, if the George W. Bush administration had IRS underlings, out in Cincinnati of course, saying, ‘We're going to target groups with the word 'progressive' in their title,’ we would have all hell breaking loose.”

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Re: Obama IRS selectively investigates opposition exemption

Post by Robert_S » Wed May 15, 2013 6:58 pm

Oh,the left got it from the FBI. Cointelpro had some of the worst examples IIRC.

They may have gotten it from the IRS as well, but I'd have to look that up.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Obama IRS selectively investigates opposition exemption

Post by Warren Dew » Wed May 15, 2013 7:02 pm

Robert_S wrote:I wonder though, perhaps the scrutiny of certain kinds of political groups was justified. I mean that in the same way that a cop might be more wary about the guy with the 420 sticker on his car having weed on him than the one with the bible on the dash.
Wouldn't you say that groups that had operated illegally would be prime amongst those who should get extra scrutiny? Yet, they were getting approvals in a month rather than taking years:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/14/irs-o ... s-charity/

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Re: Obama IRS selectively investigates opposition exemption

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed May 15, 2013 7:04 pm

Robert_S wrote:Oh,the left got it from the FBI. Cointelpro had some of the worst examples IIRC.

They may have gotten it from the IRS as well, but I'd have to look that up.
COINTELPRO, when exposed, was almost universally lambasted, the program was ended in the early 70s and lawsuits against the FBI were many.

But, so what? COINTELPRO, so cool beans the IRS is used for political purposes?

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Re: Obama IRS selectively investigates opposition exemption

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed May 15, 2013 7:07 pm

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Robert_S wrote:I wonder though, perhaps the scrutiny of certain kinds of political groups was justified. I mean that in the same way that a cop might be more wary about the guy with the 420 sticker on his car having weed on him than the one with the bible on the dash.
Wouldn't you say that groups that had operated illegally would be prime amongst those who should get extra scrutiny? Yet, they were getting approvals in a month rather than taking years:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/14/irs-o ... s-charity/
No no... that was Obama's brother, and Obama's mission is too important to have the IRS hold up his brother's bogus charity. Haven't you heard? The seas are no longer rising, the planet is no longer warming, dogs and cats get along now....

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Re: Obama IRS selectively investigates opposition exemption

Post by Tyrannical » Wed May 15, 2013 7:24 pm

Oh happy day :)
Now there is evidence that the IRS leaked confidential documents to the Obama campaign to attack Romney. Someone is going to jail over this. But the big question is what did Obama know and when did he know it?

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Re: Obama IRS selectively investigates opposition exemption

Post by Robert_S » Wed May 15, 2013 7:54 pm

Tyrannical wrote:Oh happy day :)
Now there is evidence that the IRS leaked confidential documents to the Obama campaign to attack Romney. Someone is going to jail over this. But the big question is what did Obama know and when did he know it?
IIRC,there was a bit of a something about Mitt not wanting to release some of his tax returns. I also remember something about some people demanding Obama's college transcripts.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Re: Obama IRS selectively investigates opposition exemption

Post by Warren Dew » Wed May 15, 2013 8:50 pm

Were Obama's college transcripts leaked?

Oh wait, yes they were!



Someone should investigate those right wing professors at Columbia!

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Re: Obama IRS selectively investigates opposition exemption

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed May 15, 2013 9:10 pm

Robert_S wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:Oh happy day :)
Now there is evidence that the IRS leaked confidential documents to the Obama campaign to attack Romney. Someone is going to jail over this. But the big question is what did Obama know and when did he know it?
IIRC,there was a bit of a something about Mitt not wanting to release some of his tax returns. I also remember something about some people demanding Obama's college transcripts.
So? IIRC there was a bit of something about Obama not wanting to release any of his college transcripts. I also remember something later about Romney not wanting to release some of his tax returns. What does this have to do with the issue in this thread?

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Re: Obama IRS selectively investigates opposition exemption

Post by Tyrannical » Thu May 16, 2013 4:18 am

Robert_S wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:Oh happy day :)
Now there is evidence that the IRS leaked confidential documents to the Obama campaign to attack Romney. Someone is going to jail over this. But the big question is what did Obama know and when did he know it?
IIRC,there was a bit of a something about Mitt not wanting to release some of his tax returns. I also remember something about some people demanding Obama's college transcripts.
The Romney thing was the donor list for the National Organization for Marriage, which I guess was supposed to be a confidential IRS document.

As for Obama's transcipts, usually people that graduate summa cum laude are proud to wave their transcripts around.
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Re: Obama IRS selectively investigates opposition exemption

Post by Coito ergo sum » Thu May 16, 2013 1:18 pm

IRS officials refused to grant tax exempt status two pro-life organizations because of their position on the abortion issue, according to a non-profit law firm, which said that one group was pressured not to protest a pro-choice organization that endorsed President Obama during the last election.

“In one case, the IRS withheld approval of an application for tax exempt status for Coalition for Life of Iowa. In a phone call to Coalition for Life of Iowa leaders on June 6, 2009, the IRS agent ‘Ms. Richards’ told the group to send a letter to the IRS with the entire board’s signatures stating that, under perjury of the law, they do not picket/protest or organize groups to picket or protest outside of Planned Parenthood,” the Thomas More Society announced today. “Once the IRS received this letter, their application would be approved.”
http://washingtonexaminer.com/report-ir ... le/2529750

Holy fucking shit. If there really is such a letter -- what .... the ....fuck????

It's a surreal version of the Twilight Zone.


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Re: Obama IRS selectively investigates opposition exemption

Post by Seth » Thu May 16, 2013 7:44 pm

It gets worse... much worse:
Crime
IRS Accused of Stealing 60 Million Medical Records That Could Include Every Calif. State Judge and Hollywood Execs
May. 16, 2013 1:29pm Liz Klimas

Yesterday, the founder of one of the conservative groups targeted by the IRS brought up his concerns regarding if the agency could be trusted to handle health care information under Obamacare if it is known already to disclose information that it wasn’t legally allowed.
15 IRS Agents See Lawsuit Brought Against Them for Allegedly Stealing 60 Million Health Records

(Photo: Shutterstock.com)

At the same time, the IRS is already being presented with a case from a company that claims it stole more than 60 million medical records of more than 10 million Americans.

The complaint filed by John Doe Company against 15 John Doe IRS agents (this is how the plaintiff and defendants are identified) states that these records could include those of every California state judge, state court employees, members of the Screen Actor’s Guild and the Directors Guild, and “prominent citizens in the world of entertainment, business and government, from all walks of life.”

Court House News reported that the records were obtained while the IRS was investigating a tax matter with a warrant for a former employee of the company. The warrant authorized the IRS to obtain financial records of the employee in question, “not seizure of any health care or medical record of any persons, least of all third parties completely unrelated to the matter.”

“[...] none of the 10,000,000 Americans were under any kind of known criminal or civil investigation and their medical records had no relevance whatsoever to the IRS search,” the complaint stated. The amount of records seized in March 2011 is “roughly one out of every twenty-five adult American citizens.”

It also says that executives at John Doe Company warned the IRS agents about the privileged records — records that included “psychological counseling, gynecological counseling, sexual or drug treatment, and a wide range of medical matters covering the most intimate and private of concerns” — but these warnings were “ignored and discarded.”

What’s more, the complaint states that while the IRS agents were obtaining these records, they used a media system at the company to watch the NCAA tournament.

“Adding insult to injury, after unlawfully seizing the records and searching their intimate parts, defendants decided to use John Doe Company’s media system to watch basketball, ordering pizza and Coca-Cola, to take in part of the NCAA tournament, illustrating their complete disregard of the court’s order and the Plaintiffs’ Fourth Amendment rights,” the complain states.

The company tried to reobtain the records but that the IRS refused.

The lawsuit being led by the plaintiff’s attorney Robert E. Barnes seeks $25,000 per violation per individual, a judgment that would “protect the proprietary and privileged information of the medical records seized,” and an injunction to prevent the information from being shared.

Read more about the complaint in Court House News here.
And Obamacare supporters want the IRS in charge of Obamacare? Nuts.

If this doesn't kill Obamacare I don't know what will.
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Re: Obama IRS selectively investigates opposition exemption

Post by Seth » Thu May 16, 2013 7:52 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
IRS officials refused to grant tax exempt status two pro-life organizations because of their position on the abortion issue, according to a non-profit law firm, which said that one group was pressured not to protest a pro-choice organization that endorsed President Obama during the last election.

“In one case, the IRS withheld approval of an application for tax exempt status for Coalition for Life of Iowa. In a phone call to Coalition for Life of Iowa leaders on June 6, 2009, the IRS agent ‘Ms. Richards’ told the group to send a letter to the IRS with the entire board’s signatures stating that, under perjury of the law, they do not picket/protest or organize groups to picket or protest outside of Planned Parenthood,” the Thomas More Society announced today. “Once the IRS received this letter, their application would be approved.”
http://washingtonexaminer.com/report-ir ... le/2529750

Holy fucking shit. If there really is such a letter -- what .... the ....fuck????

It's a surreal version of the Twilight Zone.
It's the very definition of tyranny I'm afraid.

Impeach Obama AND Biden and put the Speaker of the House in the Oval Office.
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