UR stoopid, an gettin stoopiderer

[Blind groper]

Let me add something else here. Evolution as it works on slow reproducing humans takes thousands of years. Any change in IQ that occurs over 100 years or so, must be due to environmental effects.

There is one thing, though. The human genome will probably be changed drastically by human efforts. That is, through genetic engineering. There is no reason in theory why a future, more developed genetic science, could not collect superior genes from superior humans, replicate those genes, and introduce them into the zygotes of a whole new generation. With sophisticated and cheap robotics this could be done at very low cost. What parent would not want his/her child to get all the benefits of such superiority?

[Jason]

Gattaca!

[Blind groper]

Faku

You got it.

I call it inevitable.
All those idiots who see eugenics as the only option are living in medieval times, mentally at least.

[JimC]

Guess what, Jim?

It is called The Marching Morons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons

[Tyrannical]

Let me add something else here. Evolution as it works on slow reproducing humans takes thousands of years. Any change in IQ that occurs over 100 years or so, must be due to environmental effects.

There is one thing, though. The human genome will probably be changed drastically by human efforts. That is, through genetic engineering. There is no reason in theory why a future, more developed genetic science, could not collect superior genes from superior humans, replicate those genes, and introduce them into the zygotes of a whole new generation. With sophisticated and cheap robotics this could be done at very low cost. What parent would not want his/her child to get all the benefits of such superiority?

I can't see genetic engineering fixing problems that are the result of the interactions and expressions of several genes. That is best left to eugenics.
For single gene errors genetic engineering is probably the answer.

[Coito ergo sum]

Gattaca!

Gattaca! Gattaca! Gattaca!

[Jason]

Gattaca!

Gattaca! Gattaca! Gattaca!

That is an awesome movie. Anyone who hasn't seen it (Dog Day Afternoon) should.

[Collector1337]

Guess what, Jim?

It is called The Marching Morons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons

I totally didn't make it obvious at all.

[Collector1337]

Let me add something else here. Evolution as it works on slow reproducing humans takes thousands of years. Any change in IQ that occurs over 100 years or so, must be due to environmental effects.

There is one thing, though. The human genome will probably be changed drastically by human efforts. That is, through genetic engineering. There is no reason in theory why a future, more developed genetic science, could not collect superior genes from superior humans, replicate those genes, and introduce them into the zygotes of a whole new generation. With sophisticated and cheap robotics this could be done at very low cost. What parent would not want his/her child to get all the benefits of such superiority?

I can't see genetic engineering fixing problems that are the result of the interactions and expressions of several genes. That is best left to eugenics.
For single gene errors genetic engineering is probably the answer.

I'm sure it would have to be both to be the most effective.

[JimC]

Guess what, Jim?

It is called The Marching Morons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons

I totally didn't make it obvious at all.

Fair point...

[Svartalf]

Guess what, Jim?

It is called The Marching Morons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons

I totally didn't make it obvious at all.

Not everybody is SO familiar with the works of Pohl and Kornbluth.

[Collector1337]

Guess what, Jim?

It is called The Marching Morons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Marching_Morons

I totally didn't make it obvious at all.

Not everybody is SO familiar with the works of Pohl and Kornbluth.

Some people aren't the book learnin' type.

I would think the bare minimum is having had seen the movie "Idiocracy."

[JimC]

I had read the book, but decades ago...

[Svartalf]

I didn't even know of it... and I like Kronbluth

[GenesForLife]

The Flynn Effect, on the other hand, was based on empirical testing, but was able to meet requirement one also, since IQ is known to be heavily dependent on learning. It is easy to show mechanisms by which learning is increasing IQ.

Actually the evidence is pointing out that IQ is not heavily dependent on environment, but on genetics. Environmental differences are much stronger at a very young age, but gradually decreases until by the mid 20's where genetics is responsible for ninety percent.

You do realise the heritability of a trait is used to explain the variation within a trait and not the trait itself (i.e, 90% of the difference between two people is attributable to genetics, to use your example, as opposed to 90% of IQ being genetic)

There are also problems with "missing" heritability that keep cropping up with genetic association studies - a lot of it, it turns out, may have to do with epigenetics as well, consisting of processes that sit on top of genetics and can be influenced by the environment, or be random.

http://www.nature.com/nrg/journal/v11/n ... g2741.html

http://www.pnas.org/content/107/suppl.1/1757.abstract

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16262207