The holocaust caused by reason: Fox News!

[Audley Strange]

The cause of that was an insane cult who'd taken over the reigns of government and forced millions of jews and other undesirables into concentration camps. It's pretty fucking simple.

Have to disagree, a cult implies a small number of people who reject outside influence, thats the wrong way to see the rise of the Nazi's. They were a popular movement produced by German culture and German economic conditions in the 20/30's

They were a cult of hyper-nationalists who shared very odd ideas about reshaping history through eugenics and eradication programmes, that they were popular does not make them any less a cult. I have no idea where you get it into your head that a cult implies a small number of people who reject outside influence, that would be a sub-culture. A Cult is informed by a totality of belief, not by its number of members and I think there were very few who actually envisioned the Third Reich as ever being an actual reality, rather than some nationalistic sentimentalist propaganda which acted as a motivator.

[cronus]

Nazis were bad that's why it was necessary to bomb Dresden. If they'd had access to more fuel and resources they'd have won the war. Good thing our ideology was the right one.

[Audley Strange]

Nazis were bad that's why it was necessary to bomb Dresden. If they'd had access to more fuel and resources they'd have won the war. Good thing our ideology was the right one.

It was not a single ideology that opposed them. Wake up.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And all those starving people when the concentration camps were liberated at the end of WWII, no one ever seems to mention the cause of that. The Allies bombed the rail lines and there was no way to get food and supplies there, not that there would have been much to move after an exhausting war.

Jewish groups demanded the railways be bombed so more people wouldn't be taken TO the camps. FDR's attitude was "the fastest way to end the slaughter in the camps is to end the war as quickly as possible."

Yes, I know what Jewish groups wanted. But bombing the railways sentenced everyone already there to death through starvation, and by that late period in the war they weren't shipping many new prisoners to the camps anyways.
FDR attitude of "the fastest way to end the slaughter in the camps is to end the war as quickly as possible" is obviously false because he insisted on unconditional surrender, the same thing that would have taken years against the Japanese if not for the atomic bomb.

You know very little about WWII.

[MrJonno]

A Cult is informed by a totality of belief, not by its number of members and I think there were very few who actually envisioned the Third Reich as ever being an actual reality, rather than some nationalistic sentimentalist propaganda which acted as a motivator.

A cult that gets a large number of people becomes a religion (which doesnt need to be supernatural), numbers is the only real difference between a cult and a religion

[Tyrannical]

And all those starving people when the concentration camps were liberated at the end of WWII, no one ever seems to mention the cause of that. The Allies bombed the rail lines and there was no way to get food and supplies there, not that there would have been much to move after an exhausting war.

Jewish groups demanded the railways be bombed so more people wouldn't be taken TO the camps. FDR's attitude was "the fastest way to end the slaughter in the camps is to end the war as quickly as possible."

Yes, I know what Jewish groups wanted. But bombing the railways sentenced everyone already there to death through starvation, and by that late period in the war they weren't shipping many new prisoners to the camps anyways.
FDR attitude of "the fastest way to end the slaughter in the camps is to end the war as quickly as possible" is obviously false because he insisted on unconditional surrender, the same thing that would have taken years against the Japanese if not for the atomic bomb.

You know very little about WWII.

Then I suppose Hitler would have let all the newly captured Jews go because he could not use the trains to transport them to concentration camps. I'm sure it would have never occurred to him to just shoot them and bury them in fields. The allies bombed the rail lines for military reasons, and one of the unfortunate side effects was starving out prisoners.

[Audley Strange]

A Cult is informed by a totality of belief, not by its number of members and I think there were very few who actually envisioned the Third Reich as ever being an actual reality, rather than some nationalistic sentimentalist propaganda which acted as a motivator.

A cult that gets a large number of people becomes a religion (which doesnt need to be supernatural), numbers is the only real difference between a cult and a religion

If that's really what you think go for it, I have not the motivation to argue about it further. I'll just consider you wrong.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Then I suppose Hitler would have let all the newly captured Jews go because he could not use the trains to transport them to concentration camps. I'm sure it would have never occurred to him to just shoot them and bury them in fields. The allies bombed the rail lines for military reasons, and one of the unfortunate side effects was starving out prisoners.

Still showing your ignorance, and constructing strawman arguments to boot.

BTW, troop movements were delayed so the SS could move people to the KZs on those tracks, so your "military reasons" bullshit don't walk.

[Tyrannical]

Then I suppose Hitler would have let all the newly captured Jews go because he could not use the trains to transport them to concentration camps. I'm sure it would have never occurred to him to just shoot them and bury them in fields. The allies bombed the rail lines for military reasons, and one of the unfortunate side effects was starving out prisoners.

Still showing your ignorance, and constructing strawman arguments to boot.

BTW, troop movements were delayed so the SS could move people to the KZs on those tracks, so your "military reasons" bullshit don't walk.

It's like you are saying Hitler never used the railways for military reasons, purely for transporting prisoners. But not food and supplies for them.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

It's like you don't read my fucking posts.

[aspire1670]

Then I suppose Hitler would have let all the newly captured Jews go because he could not use the trains to transport them to concentration camps. I'm sure it would have never occurred to him to just shoot them and bury them in fields. The allies bombed the rail lines for military reasons, and one of the unfortunate side effects was starving out prisoners.

Still showing your ignorance, and constructing strawman arguments to boot.

BTW, troop movements were delayed so the SS could move people to the KZs on those tracks, so your "military reasons" bullshit don't walk.

It's like you are saying Hitler never used the railways for military reasons, purely for transporting prisoners. But not food and supplies for them.

It's like you can't read for comprehension or construct a logical argument. It's like your contributions are very very stupid.

[Rum]

I wonder if Tyrannical knows what Zilla does with virtually all his spare time.

[Tyrannical]

I wonder if Tyrannical knows what Zilla does with virtually all his spare time.

I do, which makes me wonder why he can't discuss this particular topic intelligently. Bomb the supply lines and one of the unintended consequences was starving prisoners.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Really? They did know that if you cut off supply lines supplies get scarce?

[JimC]

Decisions are multi-factorial. Bombing railways was a valid military action in hampering the enemy. Actions always have unintended consequences, which you try to deal with as they arise...