The holocaust caused by reason: Fox News!

[pErvinalia]

So it's basically just a bias/opinion you have. Ok.

[cronus]

So it's basically just a bias/opinion you have. Ok.

I have explained my stance and where it is coming from. For all that my opinion is worth I have given that too, yes.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Pity it makes no sense.

[cronus]

Pity it makes no sense.

Someone here as to play devils advocate and agree with Fox News don't they? If I wanted to make sense I'd have agreed with you lot.

[Audley Strange]

So technology caused the holocaust? Really??

Yeah. Without industrialisation, it would merely have been another irrational European pogrom, it was the mechanisation of it on such a scale that make it's it rational. Well at least I think that's the angle Scrumple's going for.

It's a load of shite, but at least it's a step up from "well it's teh joos own fault" hypothesis of Tyrannical.

[Tyrannical]

So technology caused the holocaust? Really??

Yeah. Without industrialisation, it would merely have been another irrational European pogrom, it was the mechanisation of it on such a scale that make it's it rational. Well at least I think that's the angle Scrumple's going for.

It's a load of shite, but at least it's a step up from "well it's teh joos own fault" hypothesis of Tyrannical.

All it took was sticks to kill around a million people in a matter of weeks in Rwanda.

And all those starving people when the concentration camps were liberated at the end of WWII, no one ever seems to mention the cause of that. The Allies bombed the rail lines and there was no way to get food and supplies there, not that there would have been much to move after an exhausting war.

[Audley Strange]

The cause of that was an insane cult who'd taken over the reigns of government and forced millions of jews and other undesirables into concentration camps. It's pretty fucking simple.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

And all those starving people when the concentration camps were liberated at the end of WWII, no one ever seems to mention the cause of that. The Allies bombed the rail lines and there was no way to get food and supplies there, not that there would have been much to move after an exhausting war.

Jewish groups demanded the railways be bombed so more people wouldn't be taken TO the camps. FDR's attitude was "the fastest way to end the slaughter in the camps is to end the war as quickly as possible."

[Rum]

Reason would say (at least the kind I have seen displayed so sadly here) that Hitler caused me. Without the war my parents would never have met.

Hitler therefore me.

[cronus]

Reason would say (at least the kind I have seen displayed so sadly here) that Hitler caused me. Without the war my parents would never have met.

Hitler therefore me.

[Svartalf]

Reasoning ability and cleverness do not equate wisdom.

[cronus]

Reasoning ability and cleverness do not equate wisdom.

That is what I was trying to say. Couldn't have said it better. Someone will now ask you to define wisdom?

[Svartalf]

Wisdom is the art of not shitting where you eat.

[Tyrannical]

And all those starving people when the concentration camps were liberated at the end of WWII, no one ever seems to mention the cause of that. The Allies bombed the rail lines and there was no way to get food and supplies there, not that there would have been much to move after an exhausting war.

Jewish groups demanded the railways be bombed so more people wouldn't be taken TO the camps. FDR's attitude was "the fastest way to end the slaughter in the camps is to end the war as quickly as possible."

Yes, I know what Jewish groups wanted. But bombing the railways sentenced everyone already there to death through starvation, and by that late period in the war they weren't shipping many new prisoners to the camps anyways.
FDR attitude of "the fastest way to end the slaughter in the camps is to end the war as quickly as possible" is obviously false because he insisted on unconditional surrender, the same thing that would have taken years against the Japanese if not for the atomic bomb.

[MrJonno]

The cause of that was an insane cult who'd taken over the reigns of government and forced millions of jews and other undesirables into concentration camps. It's pretty fucking simple.

Have to disagree, a cult implies a small number of people who reject outside influence, thats the wrong way to see the rise of the Nazi's. They were a popular movement produced by German culture and German economic conditions in the 20/30's