Guns used for lawful self defense Pt. 4

[Collector1337]

In this situation, the parents should be punished, not all gun owners, I think.

The fact that guns are given to young kids is a symptom of the gun sickness afflicting the USA. A surgeon is needed to excise the infection.

More bigotry.

Too bad only 2% of Americans think gun control is actually an issue.

If you said that kind of stupidity here, you know you'd get some pretty weird looks, right?

[Blind groper]

Too bad only 2% of Americans think gun control is actually an issue.

Wrong.

Recent surveys show the ones who want more gun control are in a clear majority.

[Collector1337]

Too bad only 2% of Americans think gun control is actually an issue.

Wrong.

Recent surveys show the ones who want more gun control are in a clear majority.

That's a total lie.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/poll-only-po ... migration/

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup- ... nt-problem

http://chicksontheright.com/posts/item/ ... ready-knew

http://www.gallup.com/poll/161813/few-g ... blems.aspx So much for that 90% that's clearly a lie.

I was off by 2%, but more gun control is no where near a priority. You are full of shit.

Nice try at lying. Actually, not even a good try. You stupidly walked right into it.


Read the comments on this facebook page for a gun buy back:

http://www.facebook.com/abc15/posts/10151450901791359

Yeah, Americans totally want more gun control...

[Seth]

Seth, are you in favour of psychotic gunmen assassinating US presidents?

My comment was a legitimate question. In response to a line from BG:

"Hand guns are also the least likely to be of value in opposing a tyrant."

Seth posted this:

"Um...tell that to Abraham Lincoln."

The implication could be that Lincoln was a tyrant, and the Booth (wisely having ownership of a pistol) was then able to remove the dreaded tyrant from the face of the Earth, thus preserving the American way of life...

I wasn't sure whether that was indeed Seth's implication, so I asked the question, couched in general terms...

I am merely a humble seeker after truth...

No, the implication was that a single-shot highly-concealable black-powder handgun was ultimately effective in opposing whom John Wilkes "Sic Semper Tyrannis" Booth felt was a tyrant. I was not speaking to the justification or righteousness of Lincoln's assassination, I was merely pointing out the flaw in your argument. Handguns can indeed be effective in putting down a tyrant if applied properly. Even the Secret Service admits that they can't stop an assassin who is willing to die to complete the act.

Trust me, the Secret Service sweats bullets every time Obama visits a "right to carry" state.

As they, and Obama, should. I like it when our leaders are afraid of the people they are serving. Keeps them humble and from getting into too much mischief...usually.

[Seth]

Too bad only 2% of Americans think gun control is actually an issue.

Wrong.

Recent surveys show the ones who want more gun control are in a clear majority.

No they aren't, not anymore. You see, with every passing day separating the Connecticut incident from the high emotions when the first polls were taken, people come to their senses and realize that knee-jerk reactionism is exactly what Obama was hoping for, but didn't get, and they remember that making laws in haste is never a good thing. That's precisely why our system grinds along so slowly and has so many checks and balances, precisely and exactly to keep the Congress from whipsawing back and forth with the tide of emotion when something upsetting happens.

That "clear majority" is now below 40 percent.

Sucks to be you, doesn't it?

[Blind groper]

To Collector and Seth.

Nice try at distorting the figures to make them into your personal lies.

I said a clear majority of Americans want better gun control. Collector instead quoted how many Americans considered that their top priority, which is a completely different question.

Read : http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... slam-dunk/

90% of Americans are listed as wanting better background checks on gun sales, which is a vital aspect of gun control. Sure, only 4% of Americans consider that their top priority, but that was not the question.

[Seth]

To Collector and Seth.

Nice try at distorting the figures to make them into your personal lies.

I said a clear majority of Americans want better gun control. Collector instead quoted how many Americans considered that their top priority, which is a completely different question.

Read : http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... slam-dunk/

90% of Americans are listed as wanting better background checks on gun sales, which is a vital aspect of gun control. Sure, only 4% of Americans consider that their top priority, but that was not the question.

Once again, it's not pertinent how many people want better background checks until there's a plan to create such a system that will pass constitutional muster and not be a stepping stone for gun registration/confiscation. As I said, *I* want better background checks, but you have to ask SPECIFIC questions about exactly what's proposed to get a valid answer. Yes, I want better background checks, but not anything proposed by or supported by Democrats, Progressives, Marxists and their ilk, no matter how nice it sounds. This is because if they like it, it must be full of loopholes and hidden agendas that will come back to bite gun owners on the ass if they go along with it.

Asking "do you support better background checks on gun sales" is an invalid measure of public support for any specific proposed program, and the statistoid is trotted out by people like you precisely because it's authoritative sounding when it's actually grossly deceptive.

You see, we know all the gun-hating hoplophobe tricks because we've been fighting them for a hundred years now. You're all liars and nothing you say can be believed or trusted. You're worse than radical Islamists who have no compunctions about lying to "infidels."

Your own "source material," the Washington Post, is at least honest enough to tell readers that "question wording varies." You aren't. And you're shifting the context from "expanded background checks" to "more gun control," which was NOT the question, but is what you "interpreted" it to be, which again is ignorant and intellectually dishonest.

[JimC]

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/01/us/ke ... ?hpt=hp_t3

Lowdown: 5-year-old shoots/kills his baby sister with a .22 he got for his birthday. In this situation, the parents should be punished, not all gun owners, I think.

It is true that the proximate cause of this tragedy was the moronic actions of the parents, who deserve a punishment over and above their own grief (if such exists...)

But such an action is much more likely to occur in a society with lax gun laws, and a large number of guns in circulation.

No doubt Collector et al will dismiss this as a case of "can't make omelettes without breaking eggs"; they seem prepared to accept any number of gun-related deaths as long as no one takes away their precious...

[Blind groper]

Seth

I made the claim that a clear majority of Americans want better gun control. Collector called me a liar because that is a priority for only 4%. I have simply replied with the reference showing 90% want better background checks, which is an important part of better gun control. I have demonstrated that my statement was correct, and Collector is the liar. Simple as that.

[FBM]

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/01/us/ke ... ?hpt=hp_t3

Lowdown: 5-year-old shoots/kills his baby sister with a .22 he got for his birthday. In this situation, the parents should be punished, not all gun owners, I think.

It is true that the proximate cause of this tragedy was the moronic actions of the parents, who deserve a punishment over and above their own grief (if such exists...)

But such an action is much more likely to occur in a society with lax gun laws, and a large number of guns in circulation.

I agree. We need stricter legislation and enforcement so that gun owners who have children in their home will make sure to keep them out of reach of children.

[Seth]

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/01/us/ke ... ?hpt=hp_t3

Lowdown: 5-year-old shoots/kills his baby sister with a .22 he got for his birthday. In this situation, the parents should be punished, not all gun owners, I think.

It is true that the proximate cause of this tragedy was the moronic actions of the parents, who deserve a punishment over and above their own grief (if such exists...)

But such an action is much more likely to occur in a society with lax gun laws, and a large number of guns in circulation.

No doubt Collector et al will dismiss this as a case of "can't make omelettes without breaking eggs"; they seem prepared to accept any number of gun-related deaths as long as no one takes away their precious...

Not true. We are however willing to have those who misuse their firearms punished for doing so rather than punishing all gun owners for the failings of a very, very few.

[Seth]

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/05/01/us/ke ... ?hpt=hp_t3

Lowdown: 5-year-old shoots/kills his baby sister with a .22 he got for his birthday. In this situation, the parents should be punished, not all gun owners, I think.

It is true that the proximate cause of this tragedy was the moronic actions of the parents, who deserve a punishment over and above their own grief (if such exists...)

But such an action is much more likely to occur in a society with lax gun laws, and a large number of guns in circulation.

I agree. We need stricter legislation and enforcement so that gun owners who have children in their home will make sure to keep them out of reach of children.

Um, how much stricter does it have to be than "if your kid gets ahold of a gun and shoots someone accidentally you get sent to prison for child abuse, neglect and involuntary homicide?"

People will always do stupid, thoughtless things. We don't punish everyone else for what some idiot does however, which is what you're suggesting.

[Seth]

Seth

I made the claim that a clear majority of Americans want better gun control. Collector called me a liar

That's because you are a liar.

because that is a priority for only 4%. I have simply replied with the reference showing 90% want better background checks, which is an important part of better gun control. I have demonstrated that my statement was correct, and Collector is the liar. Simple as that.

You lied by shifting the context and you know it perfectly well. Your statement was NOT correct because you used the words "gun control" when the article used the words "expanded background checks." Two different things entirely.

[FBM]

Um, how much stricter does it have to be than "if your kid gets ahold of a gun and shoots someone accidentally you get sent to prison for child abuse, neglect and involuntary homicide?"

Is that what's going to happen to that stupid wench in the story? I'm at work and didn't have time to read all the details.

People will always do stupid, thoughtless things. We don't punish everyone else for what some idiot does however, which is what you're suggesting.

I'm suggesting that parents be held accountable for their negligence. That's their own behavior, not someone else's. OTOH, I'm not against holding parents responsible for any damage done by their children who are minors.

[Blind groper]

Not true. We are however willing to have those who misuse their firearms punished for doing so rather than punishing all gun owners for the failings of a very, very few.

100,000 people in the USA have a bullet pass through some part of their body each year. Over the average lifetime, that is one person in 50. If we take into account that only 1 in 3 Americans own a gun, that means that, on average, over a life time, more than 5% of gun owners shoots another human. The failings are not a very, very few.