"English" is a race?

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Re: "English" is a race?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:05 am

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Re: "English" is a race?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:58 am

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Angles? British?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1288231.stm

But, providing legal remedies or criminalizing mere insults begets this sort of whining.

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Re: "English" is a race?

Post by rainbow » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:21 pm

THE SCHOOL FOR PATRIOTISM.

[A Fund has been raised to supply the School Board with Union-Jacks, with a view to increasing the loyalty of the pupils.—Daily Paper.]

Scene—A Room of the School Board, decorated with flags and trophies of arms. Teacher discovered instructing his pupils in English History.

Teacher. And now we come to the Battle of Trafalgar, which was won by Nelson in the early part of the present century. As it is my object to increase your patriotism, I may tell you that "Britannia rules the waves, and Britons never, never, never will be slaves!" Repeat that in chorus.

Pupils. "Rule, Britannia, Britannia rules the waves; Britons never, never, never will be slaves!"

Teacher. Thank you very much; and to show how the esprit de corps in Her Majesty's Ships-of-War is preserved, I will now dance the Sailor's Hornpipe.


[Does so.

First Pupil. Please, Sir, do Englishmen always win?

Teacher. Invariably. If they retire, they do not retreat. Can you tell me what a retirement of troops in the face of the enemy is called?

Second Pupil. Bolting, Sir.

Teacher. Nothing of the sort. Go to the bottom of the class, Sirrah! Bolting, indeed! Next boy!

Third Pupil. It is called "a strategic movement to the rear," Sir.

Teacher. Quite right; and now we come to the Battle of Waterloo, which you will remember was won on the 18th of June, 1815. But perhaps this may be a convenient time for the introduction of the Union-Jack War Dance, which, as you all know, has been recently ordered to be part of our studies by the Committee of the School Board. Now then, please, take your places.


[The Pupils seize the flags hanging to the walls, and dance merrily. At the conclusion of the exercise they replace the flags, and resume their customary places.

First Pupil. If you please, can you tell us anything about the Union-Jack?

Teacher. As I have explained on many occasions, when you have been good and obliging enough to put the same question to me, I am delighted to have the opportunity. You must know that the Union-Jack represents the greatest nation in the world. This nation is our own beloved country, and it is gratifying to know that there are no people so blessed as our own. The Union-Jack flies in every quarter of the globe, and where it is seen, slavery becomes impossible, and tyranny a thing of the past. To be an Englishman is to be the noblest creature on the earth. One Englishman is worth twenty specimens of other nationalities; he is more conscientious, more clever, more beautiful than any other living man, and it is a good thing for the world that he exists. (Looking at watch.) And now, as we have rather exceeded our usual time for study, we will depart after the customary ceremony.


[The Pupils then sing the National Anthem, and the School dismisses itself with three cheers for Her Majesty. Curtain.
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Post by Mysturji » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:24 pm

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The court in Prestatyn in North Wales heard that Humphreys levelled the insult at Ms Payne when she went to her house in Rhyl to collect some of her father's property and told her : "Leave well alone, you English cow".
For Angela Payne it was the final straw
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:26 pm

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Post by Mysturji » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:27 pm

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Svartalf wrote:how can you grace that set of barbarous gruntings with the name of "language"?

French is a language.
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Re: "English" is a race?

Post by Mysturji » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:31 pm

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:45 pm

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Re: "English" is a race?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:18 pm

Is calling her an English cow really a slur against the English? If she is English, and she is a cow, it seems descriptive, and it does not appear to be something that is slurring all English.

When a grown person can't deal with insults that we used to tell kids to get over with "sticks and stones will break my bones" aphorisms....ugh... I mean.. come on lady. Grow the fuck up. Strap on a pair. So what if she called you an English cow? Fuck her. And, fuck you too.

It's utterly ridiculous.

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Re: "English" is a race?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:21 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:Is calling her an English cow really a slur against the English? If she is English, and she is a cow, it seems descriptive, and it does not appear to be something that is slurring all English.

When a grown person can't deal with insults that we used to tell kids to get over with "sticks and stones will break my bones" aphorisms....ugh... I mean.. come on lady. Grow the fuck up. Strap on a pair. So what if she called you an English cow? Fuck her. And, fuck you too.

It's utterly ridiculous.
It was retribution, not outrage, she came out on top by getting the insulter in trouble. Petty dispute, but that's life.
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Post by Tyrannical » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:24 pm

I've heard of English, Irish, Welsh, and Scottish spoken of as separate races.
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Post by Feck » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:25 pm

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Re: "English" is a race?

Post by rainbow » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:27 pm

Tyrannical wrote:I've heard of English, Irish, Welsh, and Scottish spoken of as separate races.
You have heard of many things.
The problem is you can't discriminate between the truth and the drivel.
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Re: "English" is a race?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:31 pm

The whole concept of race is arbitrary. To draw lines at caucasian or oriental or Asian or African is just as arbitrary as Nordic, Germanic, Anglo-Saxon, Alpine, Mediterrenean and African -- and all the racial categories make no more, or less, sense than the common notions of racial distinctions today.

Race "a group of persons related by common descent or heredity." -- LOL That is pretty much any group of persons...lol

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Re: "English" is a race?

Post by rainbow » Wed May 01, 2013 10:30 am

Coito ergo sum wrote:The whole concept of race is arbitrary. To draw lines at caucasian or oriental or Asian or African is just as arbitrary as Nordic, Germanic, Anglo-Saxon, Alpine, Mediterrenean and African -- and all the racial categories make no more, or less, sense than the common notions of racial distinctions today.

Race "a group of persons related by common descent or heredity." -- LOL That is pretty much any group of persons...lol
Since all humans are related by common descent, that makes for one race. The human race.
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