Racism vs IQ

[Rum]

There is a form of mental retardation that makes it's victims non-racist, of course their average IQ is ~70. Culturally biased against them no doubt

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100412/ ... 0.176.html

Children with a neurodevelopmental disorder called Williams syndrome (WS) are overly friendly because they do not fear strangers. Now, a study shows that these children also do not develop negative attitudes about other ethnic groups, even though they show patterns of gender stereotyping found in other children.

Which means that some kids with special needs are indeed exceptional.

[Jason]

As Svartalf already said, there is a large body of evidence that intelligence is not, repeat not, a causal factor in rational thinking.

Please provide this 'large body of evidence'.

Oh why don't we start with everyone in the command structure of Nazi Germany who thought getting rid of the Jews was a great idea.. and the thousands of scientists that went to work on new and better ways to exterminate them (In fact, why not the majority of the population of Germany at the time who supported Hitler's racial discrimination, scapegoating, hatemongering, and plan to rid Germany of the Jews).. then we can move on to the umpteen other genocides, in recent history alone, which were fueled by racist ideologies. Unless you care to argue that they were all perpetuated and carried out by people possessed of a low intelligence quotient.

Of course, that'd be just for starters.

[rainbow]

As Svartalf already said, there is a large body of evidence that intelligence is not, repeat not, a causal factor in rational thinking.

Please provide this 'large body of evidence'.

Oh why don't we start with everyone in the command structure of Nazi Germany who thought getting rid of the Jews was a great idea.. and the thousands of scientists that went to work on new and better ways to exterminate them (In fact, why not the majority of the population of Germany at the time who supported Hitler's racial discrimination, scapegoating, hatemongering, and plan to rid Germany of the Jews).. then we can move on to the umpteen other genocides, in recent history alone, which were fueled by racist ideologies. Unless you care to argue that they were all perpetuated and carried out by people possessed of a low intelligence quotient.

Of course, that'd be just for starters.

According to a German I know, they weren't racist, just following orders.

Please continue.

Any actual studies that you can point to that provide any evidence for your contention:
"...intelligence is not, repeat not, a causal factor in rational thinking"

Got anything?

[Warren Dew]

As Svartalf already said, there is a large body of evidence that intelligence is not, repeat not, a causal factor in rational thinking.

Please provide this 'large body of evidence'.

Oh why don't we start with everyone in the command structure of Nazi Germany who thought getting rid of the Jews was a great idea.. and the thousands of scientists that went to work on new and better ways to exterminate them (In fact, why not the majority of the population of Germany at the time who supported Hitler's racial discrimination, scapegoating, hatemongering, and plan to rid Germany of the Jews).. then we can move on to the umpteen other genocides, in recent history alone, which were fueled by racist ideologies. Unless you care to argue that they were all perpetuated and carried out by people possessed of a low intelligence quotient.

Of course, that'd be just for starters.

Can you give any examples of nonracist societies from that time period?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

There is a form of mental retardation that makes it's victims non-racist, of course their average IQ is ~70. Culturally biased against them no doubt

http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100412/ ... 0.176.html

Children with a neurodevelopmental disorder called Williams syndrome (WS) are overly friendly because they do not fear strangers. Now, a study shows that these children also do not develop negative attitudes about other ethnic groups, even though they show patterns of gender stereotyping found in other children.

Which means that some kids with special needs are indeed exceptional.

And smarter than Tyrannical.

[Mr.Samsa]

http://www.livescience.com/18132-intell ... acism.html

There's no gentle way to put it: People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb, according to a new study that is bound to stir public controversy.

The research finds that children with low intelligence are more likely to hold prejudiced attitudes as adults. These findings point to a vicious cycle, according to lead researcher Gordon Hodson, a psychologist at Brock University in Ontario. Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, the study found. Those ideologies, in turn, stress hierarchy and resistance to change, attitudes that can contribute to prejudice, Hodson wrote in an email to LiveScience.

More likely - How much more likely?
Tend to - How significant is this tendency?
That can - How often does it?

Weaselly wording for a weaselly study performed by a psychologist.

Well, it would be weaselly wording for a weaselly article written by a journalist. The researchers obviously didn't use those terms to describe their results in their study. The exact figures are in the paper, all statistically significant obviously. Also, I'm not sure why you italicised the word "psychologist" - what other kind of scientist would be studying this issue; physicists, biologists, chemists?

As Svartalf already said, there is a large body of evidence that intelligence is not, repeat not, a causal factor in rational thinking. Feel good rubbish.

As others have asked, I'd also like to chime in asking for evidence. Anecdotal and speculative claims about leaders of racist organisations carrying out complex plans doesn't provide any kind of evidence.

[Jason]

The history of racism being a universal mindset amongst all 'civilized' nations is the not so decent past isn't enough for you?

[Mr.Samsa]

The history of racism being a universal mindset amongst all 'civilized' nations is the not so decent past isn't enough for you?

Of course irrelevant claims aren't enough to support your argument.

[Tyrannical]

The history of racism being a universal mindset amongst all 'civilized' nations is the not so decent past isn't enough for you?

Of course irrelevant claims aren't enough to support your argument.

So, are you claiming that non-racism isn't a relatively new phenomenon?

[Mr.Samsa]

The history of racism being a universal mindset amongst all 'civilized' nations is the not so decent past isn't enough for you?

Of course irrelevant claims aren't enough to support your argument.

So, are you claiming that non-racism isn't a relatively new phenomenon?

No, I'm claiming that the link between racism and intelligence in contemporary times cannot be compared to racism and intelligence in our history. In the same way that pointing out that there is a link between denying evolution and low intelligence does not mean that everyone who has ever denied evolution was an idiot - obviously before Darwin there were very few other options other than creationism.

The acceptance of new facts is integral to the issue and it's absurd to try to say that there is no link because in a time before the facts were known nobody accepted those facts.

[Tyrannical]

The history of racism being a universal mindset amongst all 'civilized' nations is the not so decent past isn't enough for you?

Of course irrelevant claims aren't enough to support your argument.

So, are you claiming that non-racism isn't a relatively new phenomenon?

No, I'm claiming that the link between racism and intelligence in contemporary times cannot be compared to racism and intelligence in our history. In the same way that pointing out that there is a link between denying evolution and low intelligence does not mean that everyone who has ever denied evolution was an idiot - obviously before Darwin there were very few other options other than creationism.

The acceptance of new facts is integral to the issue and it's absurd to try to say that there is no link because in a time before the facts were known nobody accepted those facts.

Yes, you make some valid points that I also agree with.
Getting back to the subject at hand, there are no facts supporting equality of IQ amongst the various races.

[Blind groper]

I came across the idea of low IQ being correlated with racism in a New Scientist article, reporting on good research. It has been reported elsewhere of course, like http://www.livescience.com/18132-intell ... acism.html

This is not the same as low rationality, of course. High IQ and high rationality are two quite different things, and are not correlated. There are some genius level IQ people, who are also total idiots, due to lack of rationality. Imagine the eminent, and highly intelligent bishop who studied the bible to determine that the world is 6,000 years old. Imagine those who still believe it. Some of them are very intelligent by the IQ measure, but thick as two planks by any measure of rationality.

[Tyrannical]

I came across the idea of low IQ being correlated with racism in a New Scientist article, reporting on good research. It has been reported elsewhere of course, like http://www.livescience.com/18132-intell ... acism.html

This is not the same as low rationality, of course. High IQ and high rationality are two quite different things, and are not correlated. There are some genius level IQ people, who are also total idiots, due to lack of rationality. Imagine the eminent, and highly intelligent bishop who studied the bible to determine that the world is 6,000 years old. Imagine those who still believe it. Some of them are very intelligent by the IQ measure, but thick as two planks by any measure of rationality.

You also make an interesting point.
Much like the bishop you spoke of, non-racists must also be total idiots that lack rationality because they have no facts(and even facts to the contrary) supporting racial equality when it comes to intelligence.

[Blind groper]

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Much like the bishop you spoke of, non-racists must also be total idiots that lack rationality because they have no facts(and even facts to the contrary) supporting racial equality when it comes to intelligence.

Not really.

Rational people are aware that IQ measures are a result of both genetic and environmental influences. We are also aware that IQ has been increasing over the last 100 years, with more intellectual stimulation for children. Thus we are aware that a different average IQ from one ethnic group compared to another does not mean the group with the lower average IQ has any genetic inferiority in relation to intelligence.

So the fact that Americans of Asian origin have a higher average IQ than Americans of European origin does not means Europeans are genetic inferiors.

[Tyrannical]

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Much like the bishop you spoke of, non-racists must also be total idiots that lack rationality because they have no facts(and even facts to the contrary) supporting racial equality when it comes to intelligence.

Not really.

Rational people are aware that IQ measures are a result of both genetic and environmental influences.

And by mature adulthood, it is about 90% genetic and 10% environmental.

We are also aware that IQ has been increasing over the last 100 years, with more intellectual stimulation for children.

And as it has, the racial gap has not changed much over the last 100 years.

Thus we are aware that a different average IQ from one ethnic group compared to another does not mean the group with the lower average IQ has any genetic inferiority in relation to intelligence.

Thus you are wrong since your premisses have been invalidated.

So the fact that Americans of Asian origin have a higher average IQ than Americans of European origin does not means Europeans are genetic inferiors.

Asians contribute little to the sum of human knowledge based on their numbers. Most scientific breakthroughs are still made by White men. Blacks have done literally nothing