The Abortion House of Horrors Case

[Coito ergo sum]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/16/us/pennsy ... on-doctor/

Philadelphia (CNN) -- The remains of aborted fetuses were stored in water jugs, pet food containers and a freezer at a West Philadelphia abortion clinic, the city's chief medical examiner testified in the murder trial of the doctor who ran the facility.
Medical Examiner Sam Gulino told jurors Monday he had to examine the remains of 47 aborted fetuses, some of which were frozen, as part of the investigation into the charges against Dr. Kermit Gosnell.

Authorities accuse Gosnell, 72, of using scissors to sever the spinal cords of fetuses who emerged from their mothers still alive.

When authorities searched Gosnell's office, they found bags and bottles holding aborted fetuses scattered throughout the building. Jars containing the severed feet of babies lined a shelf. Furniture and equipment was blood-stained, dusty and broken.

"My grasp of the English language doesn't really allow me to fully describe how horrific this clinic was -- rotting bodies, fetal remains, the smell of urine throughout, blood-stained," Williams said.

[Bella Fortuna]

Jesus.

[Coito ergo sum]

Jesus.

Yup. Holy canoli.

“For what it’s worth, I do think that those of us on the left have made a decision not to cover this trial because we worry that it’ll compromise abortion rights. Whether you agree with abortion or not, I do think there’s a direct connection between the media’s failure to cover this and our own political commitments on the left. I think it’s a bad idea, I think it’s dangerous, but I think that’s the way it is.” - Marc Lamont Hill http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/eri ... ver-trial/

Weird. Do journalists even learn journalistic ethics anymore? Odd.

[Bella Fortuna]

Yeah... anti-choicers will make hay of this for eons to come.

[Svartalf]

Damn... is PA abortion law THAT restrictive that such butcher shops still exist? I thought the aftermath of Roe v Wade had allowed to make them a bad memory of an extinct past.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Yeah... anti-choicers will make hay of this for eons to come.

Back-alley abortions, demanded by anti-choicers.

[Coito ergo sum]

Damn... is PA abortion law THAT restrictive that such butcher shops still exist? I thought the aftermath of Roe v Wade had allowed to make them a bad memory of an extinct past.

No. Pennsylvania abortion law allows abortion for any reason or no reason in the first six months, and after that abortion is allowed for threats to the life of the mother or serious medical issues. Abortion law is less restrictive in Pennsylvania than in, say, oh.....France. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_France

[Svartalf]

So how come women go to such butcher clinics? Their existence was explicable when abortion clinics were by definition underground outfits... Nowadays, there's no reason to resort to such shady and unsafe solutions when one has to end an undesired pregnancy.

[Coito ergo sum]

So how come women go to such butcher clinics? Their existence was explicable when abortion clinics were by definition underground outfits... Nowadays, there's no reason to resort to such shady and unsafe solutions when one has to end an undesired pregnancy.

I don't know. It may be that the butcher-shop-ness of the clinic was not evident from the patient's perspective. I doubt the patients would be allowed to see the storage of dead fetuses and such.

However, if a woman is going there for an abortion at month 7 or 8, then it's hard to describe it in a way that doesn't sound horrific. At that stage of development, it could be born premature and survive outside of the womb, either with assistance or sometimes even without. And, if an abortion comes out alive at that stage, I can't see cutting a spinal cord with scissors as anything other than butchery.

I get the visceral reaction of wanting to wretch.

Not all abortion is good.

[Bella Fortuna]

I don't think choice-supporters would ever describe abortion as "good."

[Coito ergo sum]

I don't think choice-supporters would ever describe abortion as "good."

Some do. I've heard some choice-supporters on this forum say it is good, and state unequivocally that the problem with abortion is that we don't do enough of them. But, clearly, that is not the position of most folks.

I'm a choice-supporter, and I think some abortion is good. Early, safe, abortion, particularly where there are health and other reasons involved -- quite good -- a necessary and good procedure. An incestuously raped 12 year old aborts in month 1 or 2 -- very good.

I'm a choice-supporter, but I can't figure a way to be anything other than a choice supporter "to a point." I mean - at some point, the decision ought to have been made.

[MrJonno]

I don't think choice-supporters would ever describe abortion as "good."

Some do. I've heard some choice-supporters on this forum say it is good, and state unequivocally that the problem with abortion is that we don't do enough of them. But, clearly, that is not the position of most folks.

I'm a choice-supporter, and I think some abortion is good. Early, safe, abortion, particularly where there are health and other reasons involved -- quite good -- a necessary and good procedure. An incestuously raped 12 year old aborts in month 1 or 2 -- very good.

I'm a choice-supporter, but I can't figure a way to be anything other than a choice supporter "to a point." I mean - at some point, the decision ought to have been made.

Don't claim to represent anyone but myself but in my opinion the worst thing a person can do apart from murder is to give birth to someone they can/don't want to look after. Compared to that abortion is a very good thing, as the alternative is highly likely to be a lifetime of pain/poverty/crime for the unwanted kid (and society in general).

Sure its better if people didn't have unwanted pregnancies but that's completely unrealistic, better a woman has 10 abortions than one baby she won't/can't look after

[Coito ergo sum]

I don't think choice-supporters would ever describe abortion as "good."

Some do. I've heard some choice-supporters on this forum say it is good, and state unequivocally that the problem with abortion is that we don't do enough of them. But, clearly, that is not the position of most folks.

I'm a choice-supporter, and I think some abortion is good. Early, safe, abortion, particularly where there are health and other reasons involved -- quite good -- a necessary and good procedure. An incestuously raped 12 year old aborts in month 1 or 2 -- very good.

I'm a choice-supporter, but I can't figure a way to be anything other than a choice supporter "to a point." I mean - at some point, the decision ought to have been made.

Don't claim to represent anyone but myself but in my opinion the worst thing a person can do apart from murder is to give birth to someone they can/don't want to look after. Compared to that abortion is a very good thing, as the alternative is highly likely to be a lifetime of pain/poverty/crime for the unwanted kid (and society in general).

Sure its better if people didn't have unwanted pregnancies but that's completely unrealistic, better a woman has 10 abortions than one baby she won't/can't look after

I don't care if she has 100 abortions at 3 weeks.

I do care if she has an abortion at 8 months.

[MrJonno]

I do care if she has an abortion at 8 months

Anywhere in the world where that isn't highly restricted or just illegal?

[Animavore]

I do care if she has an abortion at 8 months

Anywhere in the world where that isn't highly restricted or just illegal?

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