Global Warming Hoax Confirmed
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CO2 is produced on warming. But there is too much C02 now, we are not in one of those slow and steady warming periods. Or may be, but it is very slow. There is mechanistic evidence for the source of the CO2. It's not cows.
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The last half million years seem to count for nothing. Look at the ice-core record for temperatures. Work out for yourself what the AVERAGE temperature was like for the last 500,000 years. My own estimate is about -7 on that graph. It's perfectly obvious that we are at a peak that has happened before, but only four very exceptional times. And it's perfectly obvious that the Earth can't naturally sustain those kinds of temperatures for long. Not during the current ice-age anyway.
It takes a special kind of arrogance to decalre that a bit of manmade CO2 can go against the gigantic natural forces that forced temperatures to plummet, not rise, once we reach this kind of peak.

It takes a special kind of arrogance to decalre that a bit of manmade CO2 can go against the gigantic natural forces that forced temperatures to plummet, not rise, once we reach this kind of peak.

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no they don't count for squat because in that case C02 is a feedback not a forcing as it is now - bringing it up illuminates nothing about agw beyond your lack of understanding. Learn something - in fact Yale uses the same graph to point out your misconception
In addiition - we are talking about the blink of a geologic eye to go to C02 levels not seen for 15 million years when it was much warmer than now. Doing that in a century or less gives no time for the biome to react.
Your "gigantic forces" are actually tiny shifts over thousands of years in the earth's orbit and that is enough to tip the balance over time.
Indeed the planet was cooling slowly after the Holocene optimum
.
You keep hauling out long dispelled nonsense.....move on
It's getting warmer
We're responsible
Get on with dealing with it ...which presents is no easy course to chart.
But no....the denidiots bury their heads instead of taking responsibility.
snip from the same article.
http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/20 ... te-system/Common Climate Misconceptions
CO2 as a Feedback and Forcing in the Climate System
A fundamental misconception about the role that carbon dioxide plays in glacial transitions has helped fuel the argument that the lag time between temperature and CO2 in the paleoclimate record casts doubt on carbon dioxide as an important greenhouse gas.
It’s crucial that media reporting on climate change understand an important distinction between the dual roles of greenhouse gases as both forcings and feedbacks.
In the geologic past, carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases acted primarily as feedbacks to external climate forcings.
Our current and basically unprecedented experience is that we as humans are directly emitting carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases that affect climate change.
In addiition - we are talking about the blink of a geologic eye to go to C02 levels not seen for 15 million years when it was much warmer than now. Doing that in a century or less gives no time for the biome to react.
Your "gigantic forces" are actually tiny shifts over thousands of years in the earth's orbit and that is enough to tip the balance over time.
Indeed the planet was cooling slowly after the Holocene optimum
.

You keep hauling out long dispelled nonsense.....move on
It's getting warmer
We're responsible
Get on with dealing with it ...which presents is no easy course to chart.
But no....the denidiots bury their heads instead of taking responsibility.
snip from the same article.
Current climatic changes are substantially different from those that occurred in the past. For one thing, they are happening at a much faster rate than changes in past glacial periods. Significant climate changes are occurring over the course of decades and centuries, rather than millennia. Scientists know that Milankovitch forcings are not having a significant impact on changes observed over the past century, as they do not operate on such a short timescale, and scientists have good measurements of what their effect should be. For the first time, greenhouse gasses are primarily acting as forcings in the climate system instead of as a feedback to external forcing (though their role as feedbacks is still important, as illustrated in discussions of a potential methane feedback from melting arctic permafrost).
While the lag between temperature and greenhouse gas changes in the paleoclimate record is important in understanding the function of greenhouse gasses in the Earth’s climate, and has helped in estimating the effects of CO2 concentrations on radiative forcing, it in no way discredits the conventional knowledge that CO2 is forcing recent changes in the Earth’s climate.
As Eric Steig, a geochemist at the University of Washington who works extensively with ice cores, remarks, “the ice core data in no way contradict our understanding of the relationship between CO2 and temperature”.
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So what is responsible for trapping heat inside our atmosphere? There must be some greenhouse gases up there, or we'd be only a few degrees warmer than space.mistermack wrote:Wrong. The world was hotter, and THEREFORE, there was a lot of CO2 in the air.Gawdzilla Sama wrote:mistermack, the world was hotter when there was a lot of CO2 in the air. That's a fact.
Heat up the oceans, and they give out CO2, because water can't hold as much CO2 when it warms. The heat came first, then the increased CO2. The evidence is there in the ice-cores.
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Good post, mac.macdoc wrote:no they don't count for squat because in that case C02 is a feedback not a forcing as it is now - bringing it up illuminates nothing about agw beyond your lack of understanding. Learn something - in fact Yale uses the same graph to point out your misconception
http://www.yaleclimatemediaforum.org/20 ... te-system/Common Climate Misconceptions
CO2 as a Feedback and Forcing in the Climate System
A fundamental misconception about the role that carbon dioxide plays in glacial transitions has helped fuel the argument that the lag time between temperature and CO2 in the paleoclimate record casts doubt on carbon dioxide as an important greenhouse gas.
It’s crucial that media reporting on climate change understand an important distinction between the dual roles of greenhouse gases as both forcings and feedbacks.
In the geologic past, carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases acted primarily as feedbacks to external climate forcings.
Our current and basically unprecedented experience is that we as humans are directly emitting carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases that affect climate change.
In addiition - we are talking about the blink of a geologic eye to go to C02 levels not seen for 15 million years when it was much warmer than now. Doing that in a century or less gives no time for the biome to react.
Your "gigantic forces" are actually tiny shifts over thousands of years in the earth's orbit and that is enough to tip the balance over time.
Indeed the planet was cooling slowly after the Holocene optimum
.
You keep hauling out long dispelled nonsense.....move on
It's getting warmer
We're responsible
Get on with dealing with it ...which presents is no easy course to chart.
But no....the denidiots bury their heads instead of taking responsibility.
snip from the same article.
Current climatic changes are substantially different from those that occurred in the past. For one thing, they are happening at a much faster rate than changes in past glacial periods. Significant climate changes are occurring over the course of decades and centuries, rather than millennia. Scientists know that Milankovitch forcings are not having a significant impact on changes observed over the past century, as they do not operate on such a short timescale, and scientists have good measurements of what their effect should be. For the first time, greenhouse gasses are primarily acting as forcings in the climate system instead of as a feedback to external forcing (though their role as feedbacks is still important, as illustrated in discussions of a potential methane feedback from melting arctic permafrost).
While the lag between temperature and greenhouse gas changes in the paleoclimate record is important in understanding the function of greenhouse gasses in the Earth’s climate, and has helped in estimating the effects of CO2 concentrations on radiative forcing, it in no way discredits the conventional knowledge that CO2 is forcing recent changes in the Earth’s climate.
As Eric Steig, a geochemist at the University of Washington who works extensively with ice cores, remarks, “the ice core data in no way contradict our understanding of the relationship between CO2 and temperature”.
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yup - he doesn't understand the release of FOSSIL C02 previously sequestered is forcing the climate at this point.
and we re responsible for that.
The physics is straight forward.
Consequences a nasty dogs breakfast.....recycled at both ends..
and we re responsible for that.
The physics is straight forward.
Consequences a nasty dogs breakfast.....recycled at both ends..

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not worth my time to debate denialists, but here are simple points explained
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
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Rapid, large scale burning of previously sequestered carbon is a totally new player on the global scene, and represents an unprecedented injection of CO2 in the blink of a geological eye.
This means that previous lags and feedbacks are not the guide they would have been without this new factor.
This means that previous lags and feedbacks are not the guide they would have been without this new factor.
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Yeahbutisms go here.JimC wrote:Rapid, large scale burning of previously sequestered carbon is a totally new player on the global scene, and represents an unprecedented injection of CO2 in the blink of a geological eye.
This means that previous lags and feedbacks are not the guide they would have been without this new factor.
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not entirely new - basalt floods intruded into carboniferous layers and raised C02 far far above current levels ( tho we are managing to increase at a more rapid rate than then ).....and we had both tropical planet and major extinction event......scientists are still unravelling how it all played out as there was anoxic ocean as well and a different continental pattern which meant very different circulation.Rapid, large scale burning of previously sequestered carbon is a totally new player on the global scene
http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/37/4/323.abstractClimate changes caused by degassing of sediments during the emplacement of large igneous provinces
Clément Ganino1,* and Nicholas T. Arndt1
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1Laboratoire de Géodynamique des Chaînes Alpines, Université Joseph Fourier de Grenoble, CNRS, 1381 Rue de la Piscine 38400 Saint Martin d'Hères, France
*E-mail: clement.ganino@ujf-grenoble.fr
Abstract
Most mass extinctions during the last 500 m.y. coincide with eruptions of large igneous provinces (LIPs). The Cretaceous-Tertiary extinction was synchronous with the Deccan flood volcanism, the Permian-Triassic extinction with the eruption of the enormous Siberian traps, and the end-Guadalupian extinction with the Emeishan volcanic province. The causal link remains disputed, however, and many LIPs apparently had no significant impact on the biosphere. Here we show that a key control on the destructive consequences of LIP emplacement is the type of sedimentary rock in basins beneath the flood basalts. Contact metamorphism around intrusions in dolomite, evaporite, coal, or organic-rich shale generates large quantities of greenhouse and toxic gases (CO2, CH4, SO2), which subsequently vent to the atmosphere and cause global warming and mass extinctions. The release of sediment-derived gases had a far greater impact on the environment than the emission of magmatic gases.
The paleo record of this is important as it gives scientists some insight to what occurs when released fossil carbon is re-introduced as we are now......but this went on for a much longer period.
More here
http://www.pnas.org/content/107/15/6555.full
Now we are not going to get to the levels that existed then unless the tundra and taiga release their entire load of carbon we might get close. But the basalt flood released the carbon stored in sedimentary layers - we mine for it in the same layers.
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When climate alarmists don't have an answer, they say feedback, as if that explains everything.
It explains fuck-all, unless you say what you mean. It's not a magic word.
Feedback needs CONDITIONS for it to happen. You don't get guitars suddenly going silent, due to feedback, as well as screaming.
The temperatures have shot UP, and DOWN, on those graphs, it's not feedback both ways.
And if feedback mechanisms are so powerful, then we should be worried. Because the last 25,000 years have clearly been storing up fuel for a massive feedback-powered plunge in temperatures, into an extreme glaciation.
See, I can say feedback, just like the alarmists. And if feedback is driving climate, we should be very worried about cooling, not warming.
The news today had a priceless article. A guy from Reading University stood up, straight-faced, and said that plane journies will be getting more turbulence at the TURN OF THIS CENTURY, and we should all be worried !!!
All due to global warming. His computer model told him !!
And yet he still can't tell you if next year will be warm or cold.
Cunts !!
It explains fuck-all, unless you say what you mean. It's not a magic word.
Feedback needs CONDITIONS for it to happen. You don't get guitars suddenly going silent, due to feedback, as well as screaming.
The temperatures have shot UP, and DOWN, on those graphs, it's not feedback both ways.
And if feedback mechanisms are so powerful, then we should be worried. Because the last 25,000 years have clearly been storing up fuel for a massive feedback-powered plunge in temperatures, into an extreme glaciation.
See, I can say feedback, just like the alarmists. And if feedback is driving climate, we should be very worried about cooling, not warming.
The news today had a priceless article. A guy from Reading University stood up, straight-faced, and said that plane journies will be getting more turbulence at the TURN OF THIS CENTURY, and we should all be worried !!!
All due to global warming. His computer model told him !!
And yet he still can't tell you if next year will be warm or cold.
Cunts !!
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MM you don't have a fucking clue......of course feedback works in both directions.....go back to physics 101 and quit demonstrating your appalling level of ignorance on physical processes for all to chuckle at.
BTW feedback is not on stage for the current FORCING situation brought on by releasing fossil C02 outside of the normal carbon cycle .....
Of course you know better than a climatologist.....what dire crap you spew. Milankovich Cycles are textbook material and easily understood - some of the asymmetrical aspects are still being unravelled as to detail of why the jaggies but that's far beyond your rating level to discuss.
and you still don't understand the difference between climate and weather...
Best is your last bit....any pilot ...as I am and notably a sailplane pilot will tell you that unstable air is a feature of warming and that's why microlights etc fly in the evening and morning as the air is smooth without turbulence and sailplanes require the warming earth to power the thermals we fly on and upset the coffee in planes.
Trap more heat - there will be more turbulence unless an inversion occurs which just delays the turbulence into one big outbreak later ( tstorms et al ) - once again simple physics that eludes you in your blundering through the conspiracy fog.
Of course you could just be poorly educated in science...seems most right wingers are.
BTW feedback is not on stage for the current FORCING situation brought on by releasing fossil C02 outside of the normal carbon cycle .....
Of course you know better than a climatologist.....what dire crap you spew. Milankovich Cycles are textbook material and easily understood - some of the asymmetrical aspects are still being unravelled as to detail of why the jaggies but that's far beyond your rating level to discuss.
and you still don't understand the difference between climate and weather...




Best is your last bit....any pilot ...as I am and notably a sailplane pilot will tell you that unstable air is a feature of warming and that's why microlights etc fly in the evening and morning as the air is smooth without turbulence and sailplanes require the warming earth to power the thermals we fly on and upset the coffee in planes.
Trap more heat - there will be more turbulence unless an inversion occurs which just delays the turbulence into one big outbreak later ( tstorms et al ) - once again simple physics that eludes you in your blundering through the conspiracy fog.
Of course you could just be poorly educated in science...seems most right wingers are.

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So the same conditions can cause feedback-powered warming, and cooling eh?
Like my pressing my accelerator can make my car go faster, and slower, and nobody know which will happen?
Well, it's good to know the standard of logic that is being applied to your posts.
Of course global warming will cause bumpy flights. Except for two problems.
1) It stopped warming 16 YEARS AGO !!
2) Ever heard of the doldrums? That HOT area that sailing ships used to get caught in, with no wind for weeks?
Facts facts facts. They do fuck up theory, don't they? But of course, it's never stormy in the arctic.
So we should all worry because a flight might get bumpy, around the middle of this century.
For fuck's sake !!
Like my pressing my accelerator can make my car go faster, and slower, and nobody know which will happen?
Well, it's good to know the standard of logic that is being applied to your posts.
Of course global warming will cause bumpy flights. Except for two problems.
1) It stopped warming 16 YEARS AGO !!
2) Ever heard of the doldrums? That HOT area that sailing ships used to get caught in, with no wind for weeks?
Facts facts facts. They do fuck up theory, don't they? But of course, it's never stormy in the arctic.
So we should all worry because a flight might get bumpy, around the middle of this century.
For fuck's sake !!
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