Margaret Thatcher is dead

[Coito ergo sum]

So what if it was sailing away? They were at war and it was a military vessel of the instigating power. It was fair game.

The exclusion zone was not a zone wherein vessels were safe merely by being outside of it.

It was unnecessary. Following your logic of laizzez faire warfare we should have shot captured Argentinian soldiers too.

The ship wasn't captured.

If two countries are at war, they sink each other's military vessels. Subs don't have to warn the ship first, or follow them. War doesn't require that in each engagement one has to wait until the other side fires first. That's why we have subs -- to sail around the water undetected and then fire on enemy ships taking advantage of the element of surprise.

What the hell, folks? Is this news?

[Xamonas Chegwé]

So what if it was sailing away? They were at war and it was a military vessel of the instigating power. It was fair game.

The exclusion zone was not a zone wherein vessels were safe merely by being outside of it.

It was unnecessary. Following your logic of laizzez faire warfare we should have shot captured Argentinian soldiers too.

And nuked Buenos Aires for good measure.

[Coito ergo sum]

So what if it was sailing away? They were at war and it was a military vessel of the instigating power. It was fair game.

The exclusion zone was not a zone wherein vessels were safe merely by being outside of it.

It was unnecessary. Following your logic of laizzez faire warfare we should have shot captured Argentinian soldiers too.

And nuked Buenos Aires for good measure.

A better analogy would be if British forces blew up a military installation in Argentina.

What the fuck is with this "necessary" and "unnecessary" nonsense? Argentina started the war. It's military was fair game in that war. If the vessel surrendered, that would be a different story, but it didn't. It was taken by surprise and sunk. That's how ships in wars get sunk.

Do you guys really believe what you're saying, or is this just another one of those instances where hatred of the person colors the issue to the point that sense no longer matters?

[Horwood Beer-Master]

...if a person gets Galloway's scorn, I can only conclude she deserves some praise...

Doesn't necessarily follow.

Quite often in life you'll find that the enemy of your enemy is not in fact (contrary to the old saying) your friend, just another enemy.

[klr]

George Galloway -- lol -- if a person gets Galloway's scorn, I can only conclude she deserves some praise: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -left.html

I don't want to defend Galloway (heaven forbid!), but the Hate Mail may have missed the reference to the Elvis Costello song, also referred to in the course of this thread. Still not pleasant sentiments of course.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

So what if it was sailing away? They were at war and it was a military vessel of the instigating power. It was fair game.

The exclusion zone was not a zone wherein vessels were safe merely by being outside of it.

It was unnecessary. Following your logic of laizzez faire warfare we should have shot captured Argentinian soldiers too.

And nuked Buenos Aires for good measure.

A better analogy would be if British forces blew up a military installation in Argentina.

What the fuck is with this "necessary" and "unnecessary" nonsense? Argentina started the war. It's military was fair game in that war. If the vessel surrendered, that would be a different story, but it didn't. It was taken by surprise and sunk. That's how ships in wars get sunk.

Do you guys really believe what you're saying, or is this just another one of those instances where hatred of the person colors the issue to the point that sense no longer matters?

I was against the war at the time and I still am. It was driven as much by political expediency as by patriotism or any real desire to assist the islanders. Had Galtieri waited a few months, Thatcher would have been ousted in the general election and things would have proceeded very differently.

[Xamonas Chegwé]

...although, I am unsure as to how beneficial a Michael Foot government would have been. He was a great orator and a man of huge integrity but he was an ideologue and, IMO, such people tend to destroy in order to build - mind you, Thatcher was another!

[Xamonas Chegwé]

[redunderthebed]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-04-09/n ... th/4617348


Hundreds of people have held parties in areas of England and Scotland to celebrate the death of former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher.

Baroness Thatcher, the controversial "Iron Lady" who dominated a generation of British politics and won international acclaim for helping to end the Cold War, died after a stroke yesterday aged 87.


About 200 people gathered in Brixton, south London, the scene of serious rioting in 1981, two years after the 'Iron Lady' became prime minister.

Brixton residents celebrated the news of her death by drinking and dancing to hip-hop and reggae songs blaring from sound systems.

People held up notices saying "Rejoice - Thatcher is dead", while others scrawled "Good Riddance" on the pavement.

"I'm very, very pleased. She did so much damage to this country," said one man brandishing an original newspaper billboard from 1990 announcing Thatcher's resignation.

Clare Truscott, a woman in her 50s wearing a sparkly beret, held a homemade sign reading "Ding dong, the witch is dead".

"We've got the bunting out at home," she said.

"I'm from the north, where there were no jobs, where the industry was rapidly disappearing, and her policies ensured it went more quickly."

Carole Roper, a full-time carer in her 50s from north London, said: "We're here to celebrate her death."

Sipping from a can of beer, she insisted: "I don't think it's vindictive - it's not so much about the death of Thatcher but what she has done, the policies she introduced to this country.

"Compare the coverage to that when Chavez died - she's being eulogised.

"It's been wall-to-wall coverage on the BBC but she did nothing to help the poor people of this country."

In Scotland's biggest city Glasgow, more than 300 people gathered to hold their own impromptu "party".

Anti-capitalist campaigners shouted, "Maggie, Maggie, Maggie" while the crowd replied "dead, dead, dead".

The crowd also broke into a chorus of "Ding dong, the witch is dead" while drinking champagne.

Ding dong the witch is dead party up peoples!

[DaveD]

[Svartalf]

Scotland Yard is seeking an American subject in a blue gingham dress and going by the alias "Dorothy" in connection to the death of the former prime minister.

[mistermack]

I still don't get it. I didn't like Thatcher, even though I voted for her. (Once)

But I don't really blame her for anything. She's a Tory, and that's what Tories do. It's like blaming a cat, for killing your pet mouse. That's what they do.
Who I blame is the Labour Party, for giving us such a shit choice.

And the Liberals, for not taking the best from both wings, and being that.
And it's still the same today. Almost anyway. A labour leadership chosen by the Unions, and Liberals who are the pits.

Wish I was german.

[Horwood Beer-Master]

...Liberals who are the pits...

Quite apt, as they'll be closed down at the next election.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Scotland Yard is seeking an American subject in a blue gingham dress and going by the alias "Dorothy" in connection to the death of the former prime minister.

You made a funny.

[JimC]

Yes, and when he was elected in 2004, he had a pretty high approval rating and won fairly easily.

If living in the 80s under Thatcher was such an obvious misery, one would think she'd have lost one of her reelection bids....instead, like in 1983, she won by a landslide.

Having an unelectable Labour party crippled by in-fighting, increasingly obsessed with idealogical policies, their share of the vote split by the SDP and thoroughly out of touch with the population helped a little.

That does help, but usually if you're "Destroying the Country" it would be "anybody but her" wouldn't it? Folks must not have thought she was what was destroying the country.

I don't think I ever said she destroyed the country. Some of the country did very well out of her stewardship. And then there are the mining, steel-working, ship-building, manufacturing towns in the North. Whole communities reduced from proud, pillars of Britain's greatness, to dying ghost towns with the only thing growing the dole queues.

Millions suffered but she didn't care because she "knew" she was right and she was prepared to pay the price in other people's lives! Cunt.

In terms of the votes in the elections she won, it's highly likely that the areas worst affected by her policies would have voted labour no matter what, so her actions would have had minimal electoral backlash.