Global Warming Hoax Confirmed

[Seth]

Global warming hoax confirmed, how inconveeeenient for global warming alarmists:

Twenty-year hiatus in rising temperatures has climate scientists puzzled

by: Graham Lloyd, Environment Editor
From: The Australian
March 30, 2013 12:00AM


The fact that global surface temperatures have not followed the expected global warming pattern is now widely accepted.

DEBATE about the reality of a two-decade pause in global warming and what it means has made its way from the sceptical fringe to the mainstream.

In a lengthy article this week, The Economist magazine said if climate scientists were credit-rating agencies, then climate sensitivity - the way climate reacts to changes in carbon-dioxide levels - would be on negative watch but not yet downgraded.

Another paper published by leading climate scientist James Hansen, the head of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, says the lower than expected temperature rise between 2000 and the present could be explained by increased emissions from burning coal.

For Hansen the pause is a fact, but it's good news that probably won't last.

International Panel on Climate Change chairman Rajendra Pachauri recently told The Weekend Australian the hiatus would have to last 30 to 40 years "at least" to break the long-term warming trend.

But the fact that global surface temperatures have not followed the expected global warming pattern is now widely accepted.

Research by Ed Hawkins of University of Reading shows surface temperatures since 2005 are already at the low end of the range projections derived from 20 climate models and if they remain flat, they will fall outside the models' range within a few years.

"The global temperature standstill shows that climate models are diverging from observations," says David Whitehouse of the Global Warming Policy Foundation.

"If we have not passed it already, we are on the threshold of global observations becoming incompatible with the consensus theory of climate change," he says.

Whitehouse argues that whatever has happened to make temperatures remain constant requires an explanation because the pause in temperature rise has occurred despite a sharp increase in global carbon emissions.

The Economist says the world has added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010, about one-quarter of all the carbon dioxide put there by humans since 1750. This mismatch between rising greenhouse gas emissions and not-rising temperatures is among the biggest puzzles in climate science just now, The Economist article says.

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[Mallardz]

So this explains it's 6*C in (almost) April?


Sorry: That's 10*C less than average for this time of year in the UK.

[Ian]

One of these days Seth, you might actually find yourself with a reasonable opinion on something. But you're still coming off like a walking caricature, a guy who manages to be wrong about everything he rants about.

[FBM]

At least people who take up bad ideas and lost causes push us to be more articulate in expressing better ideas. Which is nice. I guess.

[Ian]

Not always. Sometimes, we simply find them unworthy of rational discussion. Which is why I'm not going to launch a detailed explanation of why climate change should be taken seriously. All that's left is ridicule.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Not always. Sometimes, we simply find them unworthy of rational discussion. Which is why I'm not going to launch a detailed explanation of why climate change should be taken seriously. All that's left is ridicule.

When someone gives consistently dishonest answers it's hard to have a rational discussion with them.

[FBM]

Not always. Sometimes, we simply find them unworthy of rational discussion. Which is why I'm not going to launch a detailed explanation of why climate change should be taken seriously. All that's left is ridicule.

Definitely not always. You're already very articulate in expressing and defending your ideas. I'm thinking of people who are still learning how to do that. I know for sure that my ability to present logical argumentation concisely and on-target has improved since I started arguing with people on the internet several years ago. I see a causal link because my current social environment doesn't challenge me intellectually in that way. As a result, I think the work that I submit in grad school contains tighter argumentation and more relevant support.

It can be frustrating as hell arguing with people who don't reason well or who seem incapable of intellectual honesty, but I have to admit that it has been something of an education.

[macdoc]

snort 0P the usual crap from the fossil fuel shills. I always thought libbies like Seth believed in taking responsibility for the consequences of their actions.....I guess the fossil fuel companies are exempt from his ethics. One wonders why....

When $7 trillion in fossil fuel business is at stake and there is a threat to hold it responsible for downstream damages to people and the environment you can expect crap like the OP to be doled out by the odiferous ton.

Whitehouse argues that whatever has happened to make temperatures remain constant requires an explanation because the pause in temperature rise has occurred despite a sharp increase in global carbon emissions.

The Economist says the world has added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010, about one-quarter of all the carbon dioxide put there by humans since 1750. This mismatch between rising greenhouse gas emissions and not-rising temperatures is among the biggest puzzles in climate science just now, The Economist article says.

There are no "mysteries" here of change in the physics of the planet.

The atmosphere is a tiny fraction of the heat budget of the planet - the hydrosphere is for more indicative.



and the net global mass balance for glaciers continues continues to decline world wide.
http://nsidc.org/glims/glaciermelt/



There is this small item as well....

Dramatic temperature increases could threaten Canadian health ...
http://www.theglobeandmail.com › News › NationalJan 21, 2013 – Go to the Globe and Mail homepage. Jump to main navigationJump to main content ... In the past 65 years, Canada's national average winter temperature has risen 3.2 degrees. This reaffirms what many suspected. Canada is

3.2 degrees C increase in 65 years over a large portion of the world's land mass despite a growing Arctic dipole effect in the last few years. I must admit I was shocked at that number.

OP??? consider the source and sources.....general mocking laughter appropriate.

[Jason]

Global warming hoax confirmed, how inconveeeenient for global warming alarmists:

Twenty-year hiatus in rising temperatures has climate scientists puzzled

by: Graham Lloyd, Environment Editor
From: The Australian
March 30, 2013 12:00AM


The fact that global surface temperatures have not followed the expected global warming pattern is now widely accepted.

DEBATE about the reality of a two-decade pause in global warming and what it means has made its way from the sceptical fringe to the mainstream.

In a lengthy article this week, The Economist magazine said if climate scientists were credit-rating agencies, then climate sensitivity - the way climate reacts to changes in carbon-dioxide levels - would be on negative watch but not yet downgraded.

Another paper published by leading climate scientist James Hansen, the head of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, says the lower than expected temperature rise between 2000 and the present could be explained by increased emissions from burning coal.

For Hansen the pause is a fact, but it's good news that probably won't last.

International Panel on Climate Change chairman Rajendra Pachauri recently told The Weekend Australian the hiatus would have to last 30 to 40 years "at least" to break the long-term warming trend.

But the fact that global surface temperatures have not followed the expected global warming pattern is now widely accepted.

Research by Ed Hawkins of University of Reading shows surface temperatures since 2005 are already at the low end of the range projections derived from 20 climate models and if they remain flat, they will fall outside the models' range within a few years.

"The global temperature standstill shows that climate models are diverging from observations," says David Whitehouse of the Global Warming Policy Foundation.

"If we have not passed it already, we are on the threshold of global observations becoming incompatible with the consensus theory of climate change," he says.

Whitehouse argues that whatever has happened to make temperatures remain constant requires an explanation because the pause in temperature rise has occurred despite a sharp increase in global carbon emissions.

The Economist says the world has added roughly 100 billion tonnes of carbon to the atmosphere between 2000 and 2010, about one-quarter of all the carbon dioxide put there by humans since 1750. This mismatch between rising greenhouse gas emissions and not-rising temperatures is among the biggest puzzles in climate science just now, The Economist article says.

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Good stuff to know. These bishops of the true AGW faith just keep bashing on in a never ending gush of things they really don't have a grip on. Now whose balls are out in the cold?

[JimC]

Seth is quoting an Australian newspaper!

The end times are here!

[macdoc]

Missed that...the Australian....that paragon of accuracy.....what a fucking joke. some people swallow the fossil fools koolaid by the gallon.

Let's try scientists who actually understand things....

NOAA: Past Decade Warmest on Record According to Scientists in 48 Countries
Earth has been growing warmer for more than fifty years
July 28, 2010

The 2009 State of the Climate report released today draws on data for 10 key climate indicators that all point to the same finding: the scientific evidence that our world is warming is unmistakable. More than 300 scientists from 160 research groups in 48 countries contributed to the report, which confirms that the past decade was the warmest on record and that the Earth has been growing warmer over the last 50 years.

Based on comprehensive data from multiple sources, the report defines 10 measurable planet-wide features used to gauge global temperature changes. The relative movement of each of these indicators proves consistent with a warming world. Seven indicators are rising: air temperature over land, sea-surface temperature, air temperature over oceans, sea level, ocean heat, humidity and tropospheric temperature in the “active-weather” layer of the atmosphere closest to the Earth’s surface. Three indicators are declining: Arctic sea ice, glaciers and spring snow cover in the Northern hemisphere.

“For the first time, and in a single compelling comparison, the analysis brings together multiple observational records from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the ocean,” said Jane Lubchenco, Ph.D., under secretary of commerce for oceans and atmosphere and NOAA administrator. “The records come from many institutions worldwide. They use data collected from diverse sources, including satellites, weather balloons, weather stations, ships, buoys and field surveys. These independently produced lines of evidence all point to the same conclusion: our planet is warming,”


Ten Indicators of a Warming World.
High resolution (Credit: NOAA)
The report emphasizes that human society has developed for thousands of years under one climatic state, and now a new set of climatic conditions are taking shape. These conditions are consistently warmer, and some areas are likely to see more extreme events like severe drought, torrential rain and violent storms.

“Despite the variability caused by short-term changes, the analysis conducted for this report illustrates why we are so confident the world is warming,” said Peter Stott, Ph.D., contributor to the report and head of Climate Monitoring and Attribution of the United Kingdom Met Office Hadley Centre. “When we look at air temperature and other indicators of climate, we see highs and lows in the data from year to year because of natural variability. Understanding climate change requires looking at the longer-term record. When we follow decade-to-decade trends using multiple data sets and independent analyses from around the world, we see clear and unmistakable signs of a warming world.”

While year-to-year changes in temperature often reflect natural climatic variations such as El Niño/La Niña events, changes in average temperature from decade-to-decade reveal long-term trends such as global warming. Each of the last three decades has been much warmer than the decade before. At the time, the 1980s was the hottest decade on record. In the 1990s, every year was warmer than the average of the previous decade. The 2000s were warmer still.

“The temperature increase of one degree Fahrenheit over the past 50 years may seem small, but it has already altered our planet,” said Deke Arndt, co-editor of the report and chief of the Climate Monitoring Branch of NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center. “Glaciers and sea ice are melting, heavy rainfall is intensifying and heat waves are more common. And, as the new report tells us, there is now evidence that over 90 percent of warming over the past 50 years has gone into our ocean.”

More and more, Americans are witnessing the impacts of climate change in their own backyards, including sea-level rise, longer growing seasons, changes in river flows, increases in heavy downpours, earlier snowmelt and extended ice-free seasons in our waters. People are searching for relevant and timely information about these changes to inform decision-making about virtually all aspects of their lives. To help keep citizens and businesses informed about climate, NOAA created the Climate Portal at http://www.climate.gov. The portal features a short video that summarizes some of the highlights of the State of the Climate Report.

State of the Climate is published as a special supplement to the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society and is edited by D.S. Arndt, M.O. Baringer, and M.R. Johnson. The full report and an online media packet with graphics is available online: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/bams-state-of-the-climate.

but of course the deniers know better.....

Follow the money....the fossil interests don't want to pay the piper....

The True Cost of Coal Power

Posted on 18 March 2011 by dana1981
Due to its abundance and low market price, coal combustion is the largest source of energy production in the world, accounting for 40% of all electricity worldwide. In the USA it accounts for 45% of electricity generation, and approximately 75% in Australia.

Unfortunately, coal combustion is a major contributor to global greenhouse gas emissions as well, accounting for 30% of total anthropogenic carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions worldwide, and 72% of CO2 emissions from global power generation. In addition, non-power generation uses increase its contribution to global human CO2 emissions to a whopping 41% (as of 2005).

Coal Externalities
A major problem with coal is that its full costs are not reflected in its market price, and thus while we may seemingly purchase and burn coal cheaply, in reality we are paying a much higher cost in the long run, if we look at the big picture. Economists refer to the impacts on human and environmental health which are not reflected in the price of coal as "externalities". Those who benefit from the seemingly cheap electricity don't pay for these externalities directly, but the public eventually has to pay in the form of medical bills, environmental cleanups, etc.

In a new report published in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, Epstein et al. (2011) do a full cost accounting for the life cycle of coal, taking these externalities into account. Among the factors included in this analysis were:

government coal subsidies
increased illness and mortality due to mining pollution
climate change from greenhouse gas emissions
particulates causing air pollution
loss of biodiversity
cost to taxpayers of environmental monitoring and cleanup
decreased property values
infrastructure damages from mudslides resulting from mountaintop removal
infrastructure damage from mine blasting
impacts of acid rain resulting from coal combustion byproducts
water pollution
Note that most of these external factors do not apply to most non-fossil fuel energy sources. The majority of the externality costs come from reduction in air quality, contribution to climate change, and impacts to public health. Epstein et al. find that the total cost of these externalities ranges from approximately 9 to 27 cents per kilowatt-hour (kWh) of electricity generated, with a median of approximately 18 cents per kWh. The authors note that this is a conservative estimate, because they have not accounted for every associated impact.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/true-co ... power.html

Time coming that dodging is going to change ....and the mining interests are only too aware of that.....you get the right wing papers like the Australian spewing crap from the denier industry to delay the inevitable accounting.

Funny that a libby like Seth supports avoidance of responsibility....bit hypocritical that.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Seth? You okay? You're trolling isn't very good lately. :concerned:

[pErvinalia]

Not always. Sometimes, we simply find them unworthy of rational discussion. Which is why I'm not going to launch a detailed explanation of why climate change should be taken seriously. All that's left is ridicule.

Yep.

[pErvinalia]

Seth is quoting an Australian newspaper!

The end times are here!

And just so everyone is clear, it's a Murdoch paper.

[macdoc]

yah can't troll with a bare hook.....the cupboard is bare for the deniers.....and the old bait is stale. The world moves on and coal is NOT a good investment these days

Tough federal emissions standards are being blamed for the closure of 15 coal-fired plants and the loss of nearly 480 jobs in Georgia.
Georgia Power plans to close the power plants, cutting its grid capacity by more than 15 percent, in a move the utility said was necessary to comply with federal regulations aimed at reducing air pollution.
"We recognize the significant impact that these retirements will have on the local communities and we took that into account when making these decisions," said Georgia Power President and CEO Paul Bowers. "These decisions were made after extensive analysis and are necessary in order for us to maintain our commitment to provide the most reliable and affordable electricity to our customers."
“There’s no question about it, the industry is being targeted by this administration."
- Jason Hayes, spokesman for the American Coal Council
The announcement was hailed by environmental activists but lamented by coal industry advocates, who say the Obama administration is “targeting” their industry.
“There’s no question about it, the industry is being targeted by this administration," Jason Hayes, spokesman for the American Coal Council, told FoxNews.com. He said current regulations and laws make it nearly impossible for older coal-burning plants to be upgraded in a cost-effective manner, leaving utilities like Georgia Power little choice but to shut them down.
In recent months, several utilities have made similar announcements, saying they opted to close aging coal plants rather than pay hundreds of millions of dollars to install pollution-control equipment to comply with federal clean-air rules.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01 ... z2P1WeY7Xo

about time......