Oh man, I was going to be shocked/disappointed but it turned out exactly what I would have expected from themRobert_S wrote:So apparently she's preaching tolerance for the intolerant.hadespussercats wrote:I don't know. The apology sounds legit. She may have been setting up a scenario and speaking to that, but too inarticulate to make that distinction clear.
I don't know. It seems possible. The apology holds togeter logically. She seems genuinely contrite.
But who knows?
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As for her apology I think it sounds legitimate. The detail and language she used makes sense with what I know about her. If it truly is a gross misunderstanding, that's unfortunate.
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Good to see the young kids keeping up the fine old traditions.rachelbean wrote:Oh man, I was going to be shocked/disappointed but it turned out exactly what I would have expected from themRobert_S wrote:So apparently she's preaching tolerance for the intolerant.hadespussercats wrote:I don't know. The apology sounds legit. She may have been setting up a scenario and speaking to that, but too inarticulate to make that distinction clear.
I don't know. It seems possible. The apology holds togeter logically. She seems genuinely contrite.
But who knows?
In other music bigotry news: http://www.tmz.com/2013/03/20/dropkick- ... ricks-day/
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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Says the ancient one...

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I know!JimC wrote:Says the ancient one...
It's been almost six years since the last time I've been in a proper pit.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
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I saw them on St. Patrick's day about 10 years ago...jeeze maybe a few more years then that...damn it, now I feel old 
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You are such an old crone!rachelbean wrote:I saw them on St. Patrick's day about 10 years ago...jeeze maybe a few more years then that...damn it, now I feel old
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I bet it was a great show though.rachelbean wrote:I saw them on St. Patrick's day about 10 years ago...jeeze maybe a few more years then that...damn it, now I feel old
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I do agree with her that religions ought to be free not to marry gays or straights or whatever. However, the State ought to be neutral on the issue, and allow legal marriages (marriages, of course, can be done by a notary public in some states, and a Justice O' Peace in others, etc. - they don't require priests and ministers).
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It's just fear mongering. Nobody has proposed that Presbyterian ministers be forced to perform weddings for Wiccans much less any church be forced to marry same gender couples.Coito ergo sum wrote:I do agree with her that religions ought to be free not to marry gays or straights or whatever. However, the State ought to be neutral on the issue, and allow legal marriages (marriages, of course, can be done by a notary public in some states, and a Justice O' Peace in others, etc. - they don't require priests and ministers).
I suspect she's wrong on the Jesus thing, though. LOL
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Ezactly. In Oz, a higher and higher proportion of marriages are being done by civil celebrants anyway. I have no issue with churches refusing to marry gay couples, but they ought not have a say in whether the state allows it or not.Coito ergo sum wrote:I do agree with her that religions ought to be free not to marry gays or straights or whatever. However, the State ought to be neutral on the issue, and allow legal marriages (marriages, of course, can be done by a notary public in some states, and a Justice O' Peace in others, etc. - they don't require priests and ministers).
I suspect she's wrong on the Jesus thing, though. LOL
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OK... I think she's a loon. How very contrite of her. 
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Yeah. She's bonkers.
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A fruitcake alright. She's a lost cause.
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