Paedophiles sick not criminal says priest..how convenient

[Azathoth]

As long as they never act on it it is a psychological state and not a criminal one.
Thoughts can't be crimes, only acts can.

The law relating conspiracy says you're talking out of your arse; again.

nope. you are the one who is wrong

In criminal law, a conspiracy is an agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime at some time in the future. Criminal law in some countries or for some conspiracies may require that at least one overt act must also have been undertaken in furtherance of that agreement, to constitute an offense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_(crime)

[JimC]

As long as they never act on it it is a psychological state and not a criminal one.
Thoughts can't be crimes, only acts can.

Not a point of view shared by most clergymen! They are usually pretty big on thoughtcrime in the catlick church. Oddly less so in this case...

Actually, I disagree here. Catholic theologians have made it very clear that being gay (that is, having a sexual orientation to your own sex) is not a sin; only when acted upon does it become a sin...

Now this is completely sick shit as well, in theory compelling a whole group of people to celibacy, if they don't want to "sin", but it means that Gallstones original point is valid in terms of catholic religious teachings about homosexuality, at least...

[Xamonas Chegwé]

As long as they never act on it it is a psychological state and not a criminal one.
Thoughts can't be crimes, only acts can.

Not a point of view shared by most clergymen! They are usually pretty big on thoughtcrime in the catlick church. Oddly less so in this case...

Actually, I disagree here. Catholic theologians have made it very clear that being gay (that is, having a sexual orientation to your own sex) is not a sin; only when acted upon does it become a sin...

Now this is completely sick shit as well, in theory compelling a whole group of people to celibacy, if they don't want to "sin", but it means that Gallstones original point is valid in terms of catholic religious teachings about homosexuality, at least...

I was thinking more about the whole "coveting thy neighbour's ass" thing - and "Anyone who hates another brother or sister is really a murderer at heart. And you know that murderers don't have eternal life within them." - that kind of thing.

[JimC]

It may well be implied for the emotion of hatred, but the "being gay is OK" thing has been specifically used by some catholics as a "look how progressive we are, which is pretty fucking pathetic...

Someone the other day at school said they thought that church doctrine only condemned practicing homosexuals...

To which I replied "so, when they've perfected it, they won't be sinning anymore"

Luckily, my audience were liberal catholics who think the church should fully accept gays, so they were amused rather than offended

[Xamonas Chegwé]

It may well be implied for the emotion of hatred, but the "being gay is OK" thing has been specifically used by some catholics as a "look how progressive we are, which is pretty fucking pathetic...

Actually, I think that it not being a crime to think gay might just be a way of salving priestly consciences when they see those cute little altar boy asses!

For the rest of us though, thinking sinful thoughts is as bad as the act itself.

Typical religious hypocrisy and double standards.

[Gallstones]

As long as they never act on it it is a psychological state and not a criminal one.
Thoughts can't be crimes, only acts can.

The law relating conspiracy says you're talking out of your arse; again.

Why do you come here just to harass certain members?

Aspire showers me with attention.
S/he's as predictable as Cito de Pense and more reliable.

[Gallstones]

As long as they never act on it it is a psychological state and not a criminal one.
Thoughts can't be crimes, only acts can.

Not a point of view shared by most clergymen! They are usually pretty big on thoughtcrime in the catlick church. Oddly less so in this case...

I know. But I would rather facts.

[Tyrannical]

As long as they never act on it it is a psychological state and not a criminal one.
Thoughts can't be crimes, only acts can.

Not a point of view shared by most clergymen! They are usually pretty big on thoughtcrime in the catlick church. Oddly less so in this case...

Actually, I disagree here. Catholic theologians have made it very clear that being gay (that is, having a sexual orientation to your own sex) is not a sin; only when acted upon does it become a sin...

Now this is completely sick shit as well, in theory compelling a whole group of people to celibacy, if they don't want to "sin", but it means that Gallstones original point is valid in terms of catholic religious teachings about homosexuality, at least...

They aren't compelled to celibacy. Gays can marry and have children too, just not to each other
But it isn't just gay sexual practices they are compelling against, it's also against pedos and rapists too.

[JimC]

As long as they never act on it it is a psychological state and not a criminal one.
Thoughts can't be crimes, only acts can.

Not a point of view shared by most clergymen! They are usually pretty big on thoughtcrime in the catlick church. Oddly less so in this case...

Actually, I disagree here. Catholic theologians have made it very clear that being gay (that is, having a sexual orientation to your own sex) is not a sin; only when acted upon does it become a sin...

Now this is completely sick shit as well, in theory compelling a whole group of people to celibacy, if they don't want to "sin", but it means that Gallstones original point is valid in terms of catholic religious teachings about homosexuality, at least...

They aren't compelled to celibacy. Gays can marry and have children too, just not to each other
But it isn't just gay sexual practices they are compelling against, it's also against pedos and rapists too.

There's a big difference between consensual sex between adults of whatever gender, and acts of rape and pedophilia. All such acts are dealt with by criminal law; the church, and its outmoded concepts of sin, do nothing except inflict guilt.

[Svartalf]

Illnesses, until not that long ago, were often seen as 'punishment' for sins too. What a mighty muddle!

Doest that mean that they lusted, and were stuck with paedophilia for that sin?

[Svartalf]

As long as they never act on it it is a psychological state and not a criminal one.
Thoughts can't be crimes, only acts can.

Not a point of view shared by most clergymen! They are usually pretty big on thoughtcrime in the catlick church. Oddly less so in this case...

Actually, I disagree here. Catholic theologians have made it very clear that being gay (that is, having a sexual orientation to your own sex) is not a sin; only when acted upon does it become a sin...

Now this is completely sick shit as well, in theory compelling a whole group of people to celibacy, if they don't want to "sin", but it means that Gallstones original point is valid in terms of catholic religious teachings about homosexuality, at least...

It's actually fucking virtuous do deny the flesh and refuse to act on your sinful thoughts. Even better to confess and do penance and flog yourself bleedy.