Paedophiles sick not criminal says priest..how convenient

User avatar
Rum
Absent Minded Processor
Posts: 37285
Joined: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:25 pm
Location: South of the border..though not down Mexico way..
Contact:

Paedophiles sick not criminal says priest..how convenient

Post by Rum » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:15 am

Seems that it isn't about criminality but these poor priests have been suffering from a medical condition. Now I'm not arguing otherwise, because it is no doubt complicated and life doesn't often fall neatly into black and white categories, but it does seem a very useful excuse for Catlick priesties doesn't it?

From the Beeb:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-21810980

'Paedophilia not criminal condition' says Durban cardinal


The Catholic Archbishop of Durban, Wilfrid Fox Napier, has described paedophilia as a psychological "illness, not a criminal condition".

The South African cardinal told the BBC that people who were themselves abused as children and then abused others needed to be examined by doctors.

He was one of 115 cardinals who took part in the conclave at the Vatican to elect Pope Francis earlier this week.

The Church has recently been dogged by scandals over clerical sex abuse.


In an interview with the Stephen Nolan programme on BBC Radio 5 live, Cardinal Napier referred to paedophilia as "a psychological condition, a disorder".

"What do you do with disorders? You've got to try and put them right.

"If I - as a normal being - choose to break the law, knowing that I'm breaking the law, then I think I need to be punished."

He said he knew at least two priests, who became paedophiles after themselves being abused as children.

"Now don't tell me that those people are criminally responsible like somebody who chooses to do something like that. I don't think you can really take the position and say that person deserves to be punished. He was himself damaged."

Cardinal Wilfrid Napier's comments triggered immediate criticism.

Barbara Dorries, who as a child was abused by a priest, works for the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, which is based in Chicago. She told the BBC: "If it is a disease that's fine, but it's also a crime and crimes are punished, criminals are held accountable for what they did and what they do.

"The bishops and the cardinals have gone to great lengths to cover these crimes to enable the predators to move on, to not be arrested, to keep the secrets within the church."

Michael Walsh, who has written a biography of late Pope John Paul II, said Cardinal Napier's remarks were similar to the position once taken by the Catholic Church in the UK and the US.

"They did actually at one time believe it was a condition that could be dealt with. Many bishops were simply moving priests and trying to disguise the fact that they'd been committing these crimes," Mr Walsh told the BBC.

Marie Collins, who is a victim of abuse, told the BBC: "I think it is appalling that we have a cardinal, a man at this level in the church that can still hold these views. He is totally ignoring the child."

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: Paedophiles sick not criminal says priest..how convenien

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:17 am

"I was born that way!"

"With a choirboy stuck on your dick?"

"Yeah, that. Be nice to me or I'll call you a marxist!"
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

PsychoSerenity
"I" Self-Perceive Recursively
Posts: 7824
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:57 am
Contact:

Re: Paedophiles sick not criminal says priest..how convenien

Post by PsychoSerenity » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:59 am

Rum wrote:Seems that it isn't about criminality but these poor priests have been suffering from a medical condition. Now I'm not arguing otherwise, because it is no doubt complicated and life doesn't often fall neatly into black and white categories, but it does seem a very useful excuse for Catlick priesties doesn't it?
The stupid thing is they are taking a completely hypocritical stance - first they say that crime needs to be punished, then they say that their particular crime has a psychological cause, and it needs treatment instead. Well by that definition all crime needs treatment rather than punishment. There isn't any action taken by anybody that doesn't have some sort of prior psychological cause.

- And actually I would argue that the justice system does need to be radically changed to remove the idea of punishment and to make it about prevention first and after the event, entirely about rehabilitation, treatment, or in unfixable cases permanent separation to whatever extent is necessary to prevent re-offending - either from society entirely i.e. prison, or from certain positions of power in society or over other people.

If they had spent the last hundred years campaigning for that, rather than continuing their warped views of everyone needing either punishment or holy forgiveness, then they might have found themselves facing a kinder society when their abuses were discovered. - But it wouldn't change the fact that in cases with this sort of abuse, and high level cover-ups, very serious action needs to be taken to prevent it from continuing. They are just trying to wriggle out of it as best they can.
[Disclaimer - if this is comes across like I think I know what I'm talking about, I want to make it clear that I don't. I'm just trying to get my thoughts down]

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: Paedophiles sick not criminal says priest..how convenien

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:01 am

Well, they're trying to justify a moral reprehensible lifestyle with the holier-than-thou attitude that goes with wearing the robes. That irresolvable issue creates confusion.
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
Audley Strange
"I blame the victim"
Posts: 7485
Joined: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:00 pm
Contact:

Re: Paedophiles sick not criminal says priest..how convenien

Post by Audley Strange » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:37 am

This smells like their idea of a trap. "If paedophiles aren't born that way then neither are gays!!!" Dumb bastards
"What started as a legitimate effort by the townspeople of Salem to identify, capture and kill those who did Satan's bidding quickly deteriorated into a witch hunt" Army Man

User avatar
Rum
Absent Minded Processor
Posts: 37285
Joined: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:25 pm
Location: South of the border..though not down Mexico way..
Contact:

Re: Paedophiles sick not criminal says priest..how convenien

Post by Rum » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:58 am

Illnesses, until not that long ago, were often seen as 'punishment' for sins too. What a mighty muddle!

User avatar
cronus
Black Market Analyst
Posts: 18122
Joined: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:09 pm
About me: Illis quos amo deserviam
Location: United Kingdom
Contact:

Re: Paedophiles sick not criminal says priest..how convenien

Post by cronus » Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:56 pm

Shoplifting and shirtlifting...all the same thing...maybe not? :think:
What will the world be like after its ruler is removed?

User avatar
Bella Fortuna
Sister Golden Hair
Posts: 79685
Joined: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:45 am
About me: Being your slave, what should I do but tend
Upon the hours and times of your desire?
I have no precious time at all to spend,
Nor services to do, till you require.
Location: Scotlifornia
Contact:

Re: Paedophiles sick not criminal says priest..how convenien

Post by Bella Fortuna » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:27 pm

Too fuming to write anything cogent about this... what a fucking idiot. :livid:
Sent from my Bollocksberry using Crapatalk.
Image
Food, cooking, and disreputable nonsense: http://miscreantsdiner.blogspot.com/

User avatar
JacksSmirkingRevenge
Grand Wazoo
Posts: 13516
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:56 pm
About me: Half man - half yak.
Location: Perfidious Albion
Contact:

Re: Paedophiles sick not criminal says priest..how convenien

Post by JacksSmirkingRevenge » Sat Mar 16, 2013 1:28 pm

Sick or not, doesn't alter the fact that they need locking up for the safety of others. :dunno:
Sent from my Interositor using Twatatalk.

User avatar
mistermack
Posts: 15093
Joined: Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:57 am
About me: Never rong.
Contact:

Re: Paedophiles sick not criminal says priest..how convenien

Post by mistermack » Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:44 pm

Audley Strange wrote:This smells like their idea of a trap. "If paedophiles aren't born that way then neither are gays!!!" Dumb bastards
Yeh. Even if paedophiles are born with a latent tendency, there's nothing guilty or illegal about that.
It's when they start fiddling with kids that they deserve all, ( and a lot more ) that they get.

Unless they are insane. In which case, they ARE sick, and need locking up for life.
While there is a market for shit, there will be assholes to supply it.

User avatar
JimC
The sentimental bloke
Posts: 74303
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 7:58 am
About me: To be serious about gin requires years of dedicated research.
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Contact:

Re: Paedophiles sick not criminal says priest..how convenien

Post by JimC » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:13 pm

JacksSmirkingRevenge wrote:Sick or not, doesn't alter the fact that they need locking up for the safety of others. :dunno:
Exactly. One can view it as both a psychological condition, sometimes generated by experiences in childhood, and a major criminal offence, requiring a prison term.

Treatment could occur in jail...
Nurse, where the fuck's my cardigan?
And my gin!

User avatar
Gallstones
Supreme Absolute And Exclusive Ruler Of The World
Posts: 8888
Joined: Wed Feb 24, 2010 12:56 am
About me: A fleck on a flake on a speck.

Re: Paedophiles sick not criminal says priest..how convenien

Post by Gallstones » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:25 am

As long as they never act on it it is a psychological state and not a criminal one.
Thoughts can't be crimes, only acts can.
But here’s the thing about rights. They’re not actually supposed to be voted on. That’s why they’re called rights. ~Rachel Maddow August 2010

The Second Amendment forms a fourth branch of government (an armed citizenry) in case the government goes mad. ~Larry Nutter

User avatar
Xamonas Chegwé
Bouncer
Bouncer
Posts: 50939
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 3:23 pm
About me: I have prehensile eyebrows.
I speak 9 languages fluently, one of which other people can also speak.
When backed into a corner, I fit perfectly - having a right-angled arse.
Location: Nottingham UK
Contact:

Re: Paedophiles sick not criminal says priest..how convenien

Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:30 am

Gallstones wrote:As long as they never act on it it is a psychological state and not a criminal one.
Thoughts can't be crimes, only acts can.
Not a point of view shared by most clergymen! They are usually pretty big on thoughtcrime in the catlick church. Oddly less so in this case... :tea:
A book is a version of the world. If you do not like it, ignore it; or offer your own version in return.
Salman Rushdie
You talk to God, you're religious. God talks to you, you're psychotic.
House MD
Who needs a meaning anyway, I'd settle anyday for a very fine view.
Sandy Denny
This is the wrong forum for bluffing :nono:
Paco
Yes, yes. But first I need to show you this venomous fish!
Calilasseia
I think we should do whatever Pawiz wants.
Twoflower
Bella squats momentarily then waddles on still peeing, like a horse
Millefleur

aspire1670
Posts: 318
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:37 pm

Re: Paedophiles sick not criminal says priest..how convenien

Post by aspire1670 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 12:42 am

Gallstones wrote:As long as they never act on it it is a psychological state and not a criminal one.
Thoughts can't be crimes, only acts can.
The law relating conspiracy says you're talking out of your arse; again.
All rights have to be voted on. That's how they become rights.

User avatar
Bella Fortuna
Sister Golden Hair
Posts: 79685
Joined: Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:45 am
About me: Being your slave, what should I do but tend
Upon the hours and times of your desire?
I have no precious time at all to spend,
Nor services to do, till you require.
Location: Scotlifornia
Contact:

Re: Paedophiles sick not criminal says priest..how convenien

Post by Bella Fortuna » Sun Mar 17, 2013 1:50 am

aspire1670 wrote:
Gallstones wrote:As long as they never act on it it is a psychological state and not a criminal one.
Thoughts can't be crimes, only acts can.
The law relating conspiracy says you're talking out of your arse; again.
Why do you come here just to harass certain members?
Sent from my Bollocksberry using Crapatalk.
Image
Food, cooking, and disreputable nonsense: http://miscreantsdiner.blogspot.com/

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 28 guests