Guns used for lawful self defense Pt. 4

[Blind groper]

Gallstones

Easy to calculate.

Take : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violen ... ted_States

Quote :

"In 2009, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 66.9% of all homicides in the United States were perpetrated using a firearm.[5] There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.[6] Two-thirds of all gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides. In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicide deaths, and 11,078 firearm-related homicide deaths in the United States."

Add these numbers together to give more than 100,000 people each year to receive a bullet.
Then a simple calculation given 320 million people in the US, plus an average lifetime of 75 years, and the result is 1 in 50 people who will receive a bullet some time in their life time.

If you want to check this, do the sum yourself.

[JimC]

The 'Sturmgewehr' or 'Assault Rifle' was the name given to it by Adolf Hitler.. but how is that relevant?

It's relevent because the term "assault" is still being used as a propaganda tool and is being applied to firearms that aren't factually assault. They have a look.

Just a bit of history for anyone who would get a little education to mix in with the opinions.

All and any of my arguments for banning semi-automatic centre fire rifles with high capacity magazines don't depend on pedantic word definitions.

These are a class of weapons that are unnecessary to a serious hunter, but perfect for a mass murderer of human beings.

[Woodbutcher]

1 in 50 Americans will be shot in their lifetime you say. Does this figure include suicide?

He said " will have a bullet pass through their body". Yes, it also includes suicides, and we do know how compassionate you and Seth are about mental sickness leading to suicide. You would have made first class nazis, you two. You would have fought against the allies!

I think something has pushed you off your rocker.

Sorry, but at most three people on this forum consider you to be sane. I go with the majority with this, since at least one of those three is a fucking lunatic. Take your pills like a good girl now, and consider the sexually pleasing esthetics of your handguns.Only they will be with you to the end, all others will fail you.

[Gallstones]

1 in 50 Americans will be shot in their lifetime you say. Does this figure include suicide?

He said " will have a bullet pass through their body". Yes, it also includes suicides, and we do know how compassionate you and Seth are about mental sickness leading to suicide. You would have made first class nazis, you two. You would have fought against the allies!

I think something has pushed you off your rocker.

Sorry, but at most three people on this forum consider you to be sane. I go with the majority with this, since at least one of those three is a fucking lunatic. Take your pills like a good girl now, and consider the sexually pleasing esthetics of your handguns.Only they will be with you to the end, all others will fail you.

Are you channeling aspire now? 'Cause it's convincing.

Have y'all been talking about me?
Where is this Gallstones sanity poll? I'd like to vote.

[aspire1670]

1 in 50 Americans will be shot in their lifetime you say. Does this figure include suicide?

He said " will have a bullet pass through their body". Yes, it also includes suicides, and we do know how compassionate you and Seth are about mental sickness leading to suicide. You would have made first class nazis, you two. You would have fought against the allies!

I think something has pushed you off your rocker.

Sorry, but at most three people on this forum consider you to be sane. I go with the majority with this, since at least one of those three is a fucking lunatic. Take your pills like a good girl now, and consider the sexually pleasing esthetics of your handguns.Only they will be with you to the end, all others will fail you.

Are you channeling aspire now? 'Cause it's convincing.

Have y'all been talking about me?
Where is this Gallstones sanity poll? I'd like to vote.

It would be nice to have your vote but it would hardly be fair to you. You have an impulse control disorder and you wouldn't be able to resist the urge to do something harmful to yourself such as voting in favour of a motion that "Gallstones believes that any number of gun deaths is an acceptable price for others to pay for Gallstones pitiful firearms fetish".

[FBM]

This is a reminder from the staff to all thread participants to please remember our "Play Nice" rule, and to focus attacks on arguments, not people. Thanks.

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

[Jason]

1 in 50 Americans will be shot in their lifetime you say. Does this figure include suicide?

He said " will have a bullet pass through their body". Yes, it also includes suicides, and we do know how compassionate you and Seth are about mental sickness leading to suicide. You would have made first class nazis, you two. You would have fought against the allies!

I think something has pushed you off your rocker.

Sorry, but at most three people on this forum consider you to be sane. I go with the majority with this, since at least one of those three is a fucking lunatic. Take your pills like a good girl now, and consider the sexually pleasing esthetics of your handguns.Only they will be with you to the end, all others will fail you.

No warning for this? Really?

Fine. You're acting like a world-class cunt Woodbutcher.

[FBM]

Staff are discussing this, Faku. Don't be shy about hitting the 'report' button if you see something that looks like a rule violation.

[Bella Fortuna]

Seth, this is a warning for this post http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 2#p1396132 which is a personal attack on another member. Any further such posts will lead to a suspension. Please follow the rules and refrain from attacking other members.

[Bella Fortuna]

Woodbutcher, this is a reminder regarding these posts:

http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 9#p1395849
http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 1#p1396111
http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 7#p1396057

Please play nice and follow our rules.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Any further interruptions of rants will result in a staff member or two being suspendered.

[rainbow]

The 'Sturmgewehr' or 'Assault Rifle' was the name given to it by Adolf Hitler.. but how is that relevant?

It's relevent because the term "assault" is still being used as a propaganda tool and is being applied to firearms that aren't factually assault. They have a look.

Just a bit of history for anyone who would get a little education to mix in with the opinions.

All and any of my arguments for banning semi-automatic centre fire rifles with high capacity magazines don't depend on pedantic word definitions.

These are a class of weapons that are unnecessary to a serious hunter, but perfect for a mass murderer of human beings.

...and since most guns deaths are suicides - it would appear that they aren't likely to be of any better for that either.

[Seth]

Seth, this is a warning for this post http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 2#p1396132 which is a personal attack on another member. Any further such posts will lead to a suspension. Please follow the rules and refrain from attacking other members.

But of course you wouldn't think of issuing the same threat to Woodbutcher, who provoked the post with multiple personal attacks. He just gets a "play nice" warning.

Same old biased moderation shit, different day.

Do look up the word "ethics" in the dictionary and study the definitions thereof, for they seem to be entirely unknown to you.

[Seth]

So you contend that if they had
fired on federal officers earlier, if they had wanted to start a war, then they'd have won against the Feds?  

Not at all. In war, people die. The point I was making was that Waco is not a good example of what the citizenry, once aroused and mustered, can do to put down a tyrannical government.

But Koresh and his people beat the shit out of the BATF assault teams, forcing them to retreat in ignominious humiliation. And the only way Reno could get them out of their compound was to murderously incinerate them all, thus making them martyrs.

Which of course lead DIRECTLY to the killing of more than 230 people in OK city by people outraged at the slaughter in Waco.

Debatable. Can you show a direct causal chain?

Not debatable at all. Just look at the record, McVeigh admitted he did it as revenge for Waco and Ruby Ridge. Direct connection.

How'd that work out for the feds?

In terms of fighting power? Feds are still here. Koresh et al aren't. 

Eighty people at Waco died. More than 230 died in Oklahoma city. 3 to 1 kill ratio. Wouldn't take long for the feds to give up if every encounter went that way, as the Russians discovered in Afghanistan. Federal cops don't want to get killed for Marxist drivel, neither do our soldiers, who swear allegiance to the Constitution and therefore the citizenry, not the President or anyone else.

I didn't say any particular individual or individual's would survive a revolution, but the nation would, and the tyrant would be deposed. That's all that's important.

So what you're actually saying is that guns aren't enough. In order to accomplish your goal, you're in favor of citizens having the right to bombs as well.

They already have that. A "bomb" (explosive or incendiary device like a hand-grenade or explosive firearm round) is defined as a "destructive device" under the NFA, and all you have to do to own one legally is file the Form 4 paperwork and pay the $200 tax per device...and meet the storage requirements of both the state and federal government which require proper storage in an approved explosives magazine. In fact, to own dynamite, det cord and other explosives like ammonium nitrate mixed with diesel fuel (ANFO - what Tim McVeigh used in Oklahoma City) used in mining, industry or agriculture (farmers) you don't even need to register under NFA, you just have to have a federal explosives license and a state permit.

Firearms alone might not be enough to win, but without them there is no chance whatsoever. And that's the point that our Founders clearly understood when they forbade Congress and the states (through the 14th Amendment) from infringing on our right to keep and bear arms...a pre-existing natural right not granted by government.