Skepchick Warring with Dawkins Again

[Jason]

Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Skepchicks Derp Rebecca Watson Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp!

[PsychoSerenity]

When we are talking luxuries like fiction books or movies the balance should be towards the producers not the consumers as simply the consumers get a choice on whether to accept these restrictions.

How are you defining what is and isn't a luxury? Why do you think your decision about what information should be free to share, is better than the decision reached by the rest of society?

As for there being a choice - the argument for copyrights is to protect unique pieces of information, - customers can take it or leave it, but the publishers have an absolute monopoly. There is no for-all-intents-and-purposes identical product but at a better cost somewhere else, because a for-all-intents-and-purposes identical product would be breaking the copyright.

And why would you favour a society where, while it costs virtually nothing to copy electronic literature, the poor are going to be more restricted than the rich in the literature they can obtain?

Ultimately any restriction of immaterial property for the purposes of a small group of owners profiting from the majority, is going to crash headlong into the rest of society's desire to freely share and express information, thoughts, ideas - for the benefit of everyone. If you want to argue that the line ought to be drawn at a different place, then you need to come up with something beyond the assertion that "the balance should be" this or that. Why should it? What benefit is it to society? Or what makes it "right"?

[Jason]

Toilet paper is a luxury.

[PsychoSerenity]

Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Skepchicks Derp Rebecca Watson Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp!

Actually that's a point, how did we get to the current discussion from Skepchicks? I'd forgotten it was even the same thread! Time for bed.

[DaveDodo007]

Does Rebecca Watson have a day job?

No of course not, that would require an aptitude of some competence which is foreign to her.

[DaveDodo007]

DaveDodo007 wrote:

...Watson apparently thinks' like a creationist flea who can suck on Dawkins' tit...

Paging LP...

They are not comparative, whatever my disagreements with LP are, They at least fall under intelligent disagreements. Perspective, nous etc. Comparing LP to RW is very insulting to LP IMHO.

[JimC]

DaveDodo007 wrote:

...Watson apparently thinks' like a creationist flea who can suck on Dawkins' tit...

Paging LP...

They are not comparative, whatever my disagreements with LP are, They at least fall under intelligent disagreements. Perspective, nous etc. Comparing LP to RW is very insulting to LP IMHO.

No comparison intended, just me being all silly about the word "suck"...

[DaveDodo007]

Does anyone care any more? I stopped reading all that stuff (i.e. the whole feminist/atheist rant) months ago. It feels an irrelevant blind alley.

On offense (I don't know why I type this any more because what follows is well, you decide.) Do you believe in ignoring a problem makes it go away?

[JimC]

Does anyone care any more? I stopped reading all that stuff (i.e. the whole feminist/atheist rant) months ago. It feels an irrelevant blind alley.

On offense (I don't know why I type this any more because what follows is well, you decide.) Do you believe in ignoring a problem makes it go away?

This only makes sense if you think something is a "problem" rather than being a trivial bunch of juvenile feuding that is not worth any time at all...

[DaveDodo007]

Does anyone care any more? I stopped reading all that stuff (i.e. the whole feminist/atheist rant) months ago. It feels an irrelevant blind alley.

Hell the only reason it got that far, and the only reason for that big Pappa Ratz rape dramma, was because CES had been making new threads each month about the skepchicks for nearly a year previously.

I'm sure someone's said this before, but I can only assume CES has a crush on Watson. It's almost become his thing on the forum.

Horwood resurrects old posts.

I drink gin and solve quadratic equations.

LP campaigns about RDF issues.

Coito starts threads about the skepchicks.

Each to his or her own...

Isn't this just blaming the victim and I refuse to believe CES has such bad taste in women.

[DaveDodo007]

I've been attempting to point out the irrationality of "Feminism" as a movement since the late 90's and vocally about it online since about 2003. However I don't trawl their sites, so I appreciate the comedy even if no one else does CES. The whole FtB/Skepchick/a+ thing has harmed them more than I would have expected because they have exposed, to the A.S community at large, their unsound and totalitarian fantasies, their lack of reasoning and the heavy reliance on appeals to emotion, ad-hominem and every other cheap rhetorical trick in the book.

It's over CES, they marginalised themselves have went from thousands of hits per day to dozens, mostly I think from people like yourself and the Slyme-pit ((Hi guys!)) and their handful of crackpot courtiers.

Slymepit denizens don't lurk this forum.

Yes they do

And I lurk there now and again but the last time I lurked there they were arguing about tramp stamps (tatoos) WTF. They should accept that processed pre sliced white bread is the best eva and have an edit button just because. For any of the pytters lurking here P Z Myers is just an ordinary guy who is missunderstood. He just want for us to just get along and have a great party, orgies for all and all that, nurse were is my JD and be quick about it.

[DaveDodo007]

Oh I can't be arsed reading any more of this, my stance is this 'if you don't agree with abortion then don't have one,' end of.

[DaveDodo007]

Does anyone care any more? I stopped reading all that stuff (i.e. the whole feminist/atheist rant) months ago. It feels an irrelevant blind alley.

On offense (I don't know why I type this any more because what follows is well, you decide.) Do you believe in ignoring a problem makes it go away?

This only makes sense if you think something is a "problem" rather than being a trivial bunch of juvenile feuding that is not worth any time at all...

They are a noise, but a noise that still has to be countered.

[DaveDodo007]

DaveDodo007 wrote:

...Watson apparently thinks' like a creationist flea who can suck on Dawkins' tit...

Paging LP...

They are not comparative, whatever my disagreements with LP are, They at least fall under intelligent disagreements. Perspective, nous etc. Comparing LP to RW is very insulting to LP IMHO.

No comparison intended, just me being all silly about the word "suck"...

Well the words 'suck' and LP go hand in hand and that's why we all love her.

[Coito ergo sum]

Because a copy of IP material still is a discreet item that is acquired as property. I'm fucking buying a copy, not renting the whole thing. That copy becomes my property, and mine to do with as I want (barring reproduction rights). A book, or DVD for that matter, is effing expensive, and I have a right to get some of the price back by selling it on the used market once I've satisfied my curiosity, or become tired of that work.

You own the paper or the other media you do not own the contents of the book.

Says who? Are you advancing a natural right?