Why war? Freedom? Democracy? actually...profit.

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Why war? Freedom? Democracy? actually...profit.

Post by sandinista » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:04 pm

For anyone wondering who is actually profiting from the west's thirst for "freedom"...freedom to profit.

http://worldtruth.tv/top-10-companies-p ... -from-war/
The business of war is profitable. In 2011, the 100 largest contractors sold $410 billion in arms and military services. Just 10 of those companies sold over $208 billion. Based on a list of the top 100 arms-producing and military services companies in 2011 compiled by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, 24/7 Wall St. reviewed the 10 companies with the most military sales worldwide in 2011.
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Post by Audley Strange » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:13 pm

I don't think anyone over the age of 10 has ever wondered that or thought that arms companies were altruistic.
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Post by Kristie » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:17 pm

Audley Strange wrote:I don't think anyone over the age of 10 has ever wondered that or thought that arms companies were altruistic.
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Post by sandinista » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:18 pm

Audley Strange wrote:I don't think anyone over the age of 10 has ever wondered that or thought that arms companies were altruistic.
Of course no one thinks that arms companies are altruistic (well...I'm sure many conservatives do believe that), a lot of people over the age of 10 think that wars are fought for "freedom" and "democracy". Either that or there are an awful lot of 10 year olds in north america. Most of them driving big trucks.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:23 pm

sandinista wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:I don't think anyone over the age of 10 has ever wondered that or thought that arms companies were altruistic.
Of course no one thinks that arms companies are altruistic (well...I'm sure many conservatives do believe that), a lot of people over the age of 10 think that wars are fought for "freedom" and "democracy".
And against those things.

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Post by sandinista » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:26 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:I don't think anyone over the age of 10 has ever wondered that or thought that arms companies were altruistic.
Of course no one thinks that arms companies are altruistic (well...I'm sure many conservatives do believe that), a lot of people over the age of 10 think that wars are fought for "freedom" and "democracy".
And against those things.
depends on the definition I suppose.
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Post by Seabass » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:28 pm

sandinista wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:I don't think anyone over the age of 10 has ever wondered that or thought that arms companies were altruistic.
Of course no one thinks that arms companies are altruistic (well...I'm sure many conservatives do believe that), a lot of people over the age of 10 think that wars are fought for "freedom" and "democracy". Either that or there are an awful lot of 10 year olds in north america. Most of them driving big trucks.

Americans invented war profiteering. FACT.
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Post by Audley Strange » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:33 pm

sandinista wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:I don't think anyone over the age of 10 has ever wondered that or thought that arms companies were altruistic.
Of course no one thinks that arms companies are altruistic (well...I'm sure many conservatives do believe that), a lot of people over the age of 10 think that wars are fought for "freedom" and "democracy". Either that or there are an awful lot of 10 year olds in north america. Most of them driving big trucks.
Yeah a lot of people think that there is a magical ghost that created the universe. Would your OP not be better posted at "Intellectually-Retarded-Shitheel-Truckdriver.com"?
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Post by Rum » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:37 pm

Some facts.. Arms exporters by size.
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Post by sandinista » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:43 pm

Audley Strange wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:I don't think anyone over the age of 10 has ever wondered that or thought that arms companies were altruistic.
Of course no one thinks that arms companies are altruistic (well...I'm sure many conservatives do believe that), a lot of people over the age of 10 think that wars are fought for "freedom" and "democracy". Either that or there are an awful lot of 10 year olds in north america. Most of them driving big trucks.
Yeah a lot of people think that there is a magical ghost that created the universe. Would your OP not be better posted at "Intellectually-Retarded-Shitheel-Truckdriver.com"?
Not sure what that has to do with anything. Are you actually claiming that most people understand that war is a for profit endeavor? I think that the profitability of war and the companies that profit from war are kept hidden from the public. I've never seen either mentioned on mainstream news feeds. In canaduh anyway. Not sure what point your attempting to make.
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Post by Rum » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:46 pm

Well you are dead right Sandy. The arms industry keeps a very low profile for the very good reason (from their perspective) that if the way they worked was too openly discussed more people would see the reality - that they profit from death and destruction.

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Post by Svartalf » Thu Mar 14, 2013 7:58 pm

Even European wars in the late 1500s and early-mid 1600s were called the 'war for profit', as part of them was about who'd colonize what part of the New World and get rich with the emerging plantation system.
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Post by Svartalf » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:00 pm

Seabass wrote:
sandinista wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:I don't think anyone over the age of 10 has ever wondered that or thought that arms companies were altruistic.
Of course no one thinks that arms companies are altruistic (well...I'm sure many conservatives do believe that), a lot of people over the age of 10 think that wars are fought for "freedom" and "democracy". Either that or there are an awful lot of 10 year olds in north america. Most of them driving big trucks.

Americans invented war profiteering. FACT.
No, it was invented a lot earlier than that... see the fortunes Caesar made off his military endeavours... and I suspect earlier Roman leaders may have done the same.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:02 pm

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Post by Audley Strange » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:16 pm

sandinista wrote:
Not sure what that has to do with anything. Are you actually claiming that most people understand that war is a for profit endeavor?
No, I'm claiming that most people understand war can be and usually is a profitable endeavour for those who make the weapons used in them.
sandinista wrote: I think that the profitability of war and the companies that profit from war are kept hidden from the public. I've never seen either mentioned on mainstream news feeds. In canaduh anyway. Not sure what point your attempting to make.
Well I listen to a lot of news. Perhaps you're tuning out when it comes to business news, they're not fucking shy about it at all and in the papers like WSJ and FT they are blasé about connecting profits of arms industry with war, Bloomberg is the same. FFS even Star Trek has those big eared goons harping on about "War being good for profit." I think most people are aware, but tune it out. So my point is that the kind of people who might be ignorant about this should be the people you are making aware of it, if it is such a big deal to you, since I don't think anyone here is remotely surprised by such obviousness.
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