Guns Used.....cont

[Blind groper]

Society is not easy to destroy. The story of Hong Kong is quite inspiring.

Hong Kong was occupied by Japan during WWII. It was, of course, in theory, a British territory, but the Japanese sent the British governor scurrying. At the end of the war, Japan walked out and back to Japan, leaving Hong Kong in a mess, with no government.

The British were also rather occupied at that point, with the entire country essentially bankrupt and no resources to spare. So Hong Kong was left entirely on its own for over a year. In that time, the people of Hong Kong got busy, worked hard, and organised themselves. They set up small vegetable farms, small markets, small private schools, medical clinics and so on.

Eventually, a new British governor arrived with naval backing, and took over. The first thing he did was carry out a survey of the state of the colony. To his surprise, he found it was thriving. Social systems already in place, from farms, to school, to private police. He established a policy of minimal interference, with the British governance largely limited to laws, police, and defense. Hong Kong continued to thrive and grow throughout the British period.

Humans are dependent on their society, community, government etc. Large social groups, like the nation, are better for maximum human welfare, and minimal crime. However, there is no risk of any total social break down, as Seth fears, because smaller social groups (like tribes) form to fill the gap. Independent survivalists, who try to exist away from social groupings, are the least likely to survive, since the wider social groups will see them for what they are - criminal and disruptive elements. Such people will be hunted down and executed. In time, the small social groups will merge and a new system of nations will arise.

Hand guns in the USA.

Some of the less rational people here think that giving more people guns will lead to better self defense and hence less crime. This flies in the face of the simple fact that the USA, with the most guns, also has massively the highest murder rate in the world's richest nations. However, people who worship at the Church of the Gun are not interested in facts, like all fundamentalist religico's.

Lots of 'law abiding' people buy hand guns to stop the nasty bastards attacking. The problem is that the nasty bastards are not blind, and they get their own hand guns to defend themselves against the law abiding ones. Soon all the evil ones have hand guns. The result is the USA having 4 times the murder rate of other western wealthy nations.

Widespread ownership of hand guns leads to mutual destruction, with both the law abiding and the criminals being killed in large numbers, which they are. Seth and his disciples operate on the assumption that threat is enough. It would be if everyone was rational. Are they? Let the murder rate reveal the truth!

[Blind groper]

Society is not easy to destroy. The story of Hong Kong is quite inspiring.

Hong Kong was occupied by Japan during WWII. It was, of course, in theory, a British territory, but the Japanese sent the British governor scurrying. At the end of the war, Japan walked out and back to Japan, leaving Hong Kong in a mess, with no government.

The British were also rather occupied at that point, with the entire country essentially bankrupt and no resources to spare. So Hong Kong was left entirely on its own for over a year. In that time, the people of Hong Kong got busy, worked hard, and organised themselves. They set up small vegetable farms, small markets, small private schools, medical clinics and so on.

Eventually, a new British governor arrived with naval backing, and took over. The first thing he did was carry out a survey of the state of the colony. To his surprise, he found it was thriving. Social systems already in place, from farms, to school, to private police. He established a policy of minimal interference, with the British governance largely limited to laws, police, and defense. Hong Kong continued to thrive and grow throughout the British period.

Humans are dependent on their society, community, government etc. Large social groups, like the nation, are better for maximum human welfare, and minimal crime. However, there is no risk of any total social break down, as Seth fears, because smaller social groups (like tribes) form to fill the gap. Independent survivalists, who try to exist away from social groupings, are the least likely to survive, since the wider social groups will see them for what they are - criminal and disruptive elements. Such people will be hunted down and executed. In time, the small social groups will merge and a new system of nations will arise.

Hand guns in the USA.

Some of the less rational people here think that giving more people guns will lead to better self defense and hence less crime. This flies in the face of the simple fact that the USA, with the most guns, also has massively the highest murder rate in the world's richest nations. However, people who worship at the Church of the Gun are not interested in facts, like all fundamentalist religico's.

Lots of 'law abiding' people buy hand guns to stop the nasty bastards attacking. The problem is that the nasty bastards are not blind, and they get their own hand guns to defend themselves against the law abiding ones. Soon all the evil ones have hand guns. The result is the USA having 4 times the murder rate of other western wealthy nations.

Widespread ownership of hand guns leads to mutual destruction, with both the law abiding and the criminals being killed in large numbers, which they are. Seth and his disciples operate on the assumption that threat is enough. It would be if everyone was rational. Are they? Let the murder rate reveal the truth!

[Jason]

Going for the trifecta!

[Seth]

It's much worse than that, if society is DISRUPTED for more than a week or two, be it by war or natural disaster, you will die. Paying taxes doesn't help when the government is incapable of saving you, which happens all the time

If the British government can't get order back in a couple of days its unlikely it ever will, time to seek refugee status in somewhere that civilization still exists

And how, exactly, are you going to seek refuge when the entirety of England and Scotland (or wherever it is you happen to live) are buried six feet deep in snow during a mammoth blizzard that shuts down every highway, airport and railroad at once, kills the power nationwide, and shuts down gas distribution, water delivery and sewer service because of the power loss (kind of like that cruise ship disaster)? Take Superstorm Sandy as an example of how you could easily be on your own for a week or more. There are STILL people in New Jersey who are without power, water or sewer, and some of them are living in tents.

Do you think the hundreds of thousands of victims of the tsunami in Indonesia got any immediate help from their government? Of course they didn't, the government didn't have the resources and couldn't even get to the victims in most places, so they were ON THEIR OWN for a long, long time.

You really have absolutely no idea whatever about the common disaster risks you face on a daily basis. That's okay, you'll die when some big crisis cuts off your access to the teat of Mommy Government and you will no longer be a burden on society. You're a cautionary tale for everyone else as to why they should be prepared to be self-reliant and not dependent.

[Jason]

What about a rogue wave that rushes up the channel, the Thames estuary, all the way up to London flooding the streets and sending the rats scurrying out of the city? What will you do when your precious house of lords is under 10 feet of filthy sewage?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Seeth's wankage material is very obvious. I bet he has the XXX version of "Life After Humans".

[MrJonno]

Any disaster that is great enough to 'shutdown' the country is going to pretty much kill everyone instantly, its 100 miles in just about any direction is the sea. Surviving a tsunami isnt likely to be much of a problem. Also who in their right mind would want to live somewhere where extreme weather/ is remotely likely anyway

As for anything else guess what we have neighbours who mostly don't completely hate us, time to call in a few favours.

[Jason]

Not Canada. We saved your asses in the BoB. You owe us.

[Blind groper]

What about a rogue wave that rushes up the channel, the Thames estuary, all the way up to London flooding the streets and sending the rats scurrying out of the city? What will you do when your precious house of lords is under 10 feet of filthy sewage?

The answer is : rebuild.

Natural and man made disasters are not uncommon. Everything from floods and tsunamis, earthquakes and forest fires, to world wars. People die, and property is destroyed. When it is over, people rebuild.

[Seth]

What about a rogue wave that rushes up the channel, the Thames estuary, all the way up to London flooding the streets and sending the rats scurrying out of the city? What will you do when your precious house of lords is under 10 feet of filthy sewage?

The answer is : rebuild.

Um...first you have to SURVIVE. Only then can you rebuild. If you don't have a plan for survival, you'll most likely end up being a victim. That's how it works.

Natural and man made disasters are not uncommon. Everything from floods and tsunamis, earthquakes and forest fires, to world wars. People die, and property is destroyed. When it is over, people rebuild.

Yup. And the people who die are those who are unprepared to fend for themselves in a crisis.

That does not describe me, but it aptly describes MrJonno.

[aspire1670]

What about a rogue wave that rushes up the channel, the Thames estuary, all the way up to London flooding the streets and sending the rats scurrying out of the city? What will you do when your precious house of lords is under 10 feet of filthy sewage?

The answer is : rebuild.

Um...first you have to SURVIVE. Only then can you rebuild. If you don't have a plan for survival, you'll most likely end up being a victim. That's how it works.

Natural and man made disasters are not uncommon. Everything from floods and tsunamis, earthquakes and forest fires, to world wars. People die, and property is destroyed. When it is over, people rebuild.

Yup. And the people who die are those who are unprepared to fend for themselves in a crisis.

That does not describe me, but it aptly describes MrJonno.

Orly. My guess is you're an armchair survivalist, young Seth, and couldn't pour piss out of a boot if it had 'tip me' stencilled on the heel. Take away your armchair and the Discovery channel and if the bad times come you would be just another rube crying for his mum and begging on the edge of the highway.

[Blind groper]

That does not describe me, but it aptly describes MrJonno.

OK.

How have you prepared for the Great Yellowstone Eruption, which may destroy the entire USA?

How have you prepared for the Great Canary Island Tsunami, which is estimated to be 100 metres high, able to wipe out the entire eastern and southern seaboards of the USA?

How have you prepared for the next Chicxulub Asteroid, which would totally destroy the USA and much of the rest of the world?

These are pure theory, of course, but are more likely than any disaster that can be survived by using guns.

[Jason]

Last post! Get your last post!

[laklak]

It's common sense around these parts to be able to survive a couple of weeks off grid. Well, it's actually uncommon sense if the number of people out buying water and cans of Barf-a-Roni just before a hurricane are any indication. In any case, having enough food, gas, water etc. to survive a couple of weeks is a rational precaution. If it goes on any longer than that then it's time to GTFO of Dodge.

Oh wow! Two V-22 Ospreys just came over about 50 feet above the house, rotors full up for a landing at the airport. Loud mothers, most fucking cool. Wonder what's up? Should I get the guns loaded?

[Svartalf]

What about a rogue wave that rushes up the channel, the Thames estuary, all the way up to London flooding the streets and sending the rats scurrying out of the city? What will you do when your precious house of lords is under 10 feet of filthy sewage?

add more so the politicians feel at home, never enough Scum for the like of those