Guns Used.....cont

[Seth]

I do know about the effects of violence on the human body. I've worked in law enforcement and emergency services, including in a hospital ER for more than 30 years, and I've seen the carnage, death and permanent injury and disfigurement that occurs when someone gets "beat up" by someone else. I'm perfectly aware that any time someone launches a criminal attack against me, my life and health are in jeopardy. Since I cannot predict which assailant will pull a knife or knock me down and kick me in the head, I don't allow people to attack me. If they try, I stop them, using the proper level of reasonable and necessary force, up to and including the use of deadly physical force if it becomes necessary to do so. If you come at me with a broken bottle or a knife closer than 15 feet I will shoot you immediately without a second's hesitation. If you're further than 15 feet away, you have about one second to drop it and stop your attack before I will shoot you dead. And I'll be perfectly justified in doing exactly that, since you can easily kill or permanently injury me in the following three seconds if I don't shoot you dead.

Idiots who have never been the victim of a violent crime and who do not understand the dangers involved should not bloviate regarding what other people should or should not do by way of defending themselves.

You're a bullshitter, young Seth. You're 38 years of age and the only ER you have had experience of is the TV SERIES. You should take your own advice and not bloviate regarding what you would do when defending yourself.

Heh. Seems my privacy efforts have been fruitful, at least in hoodwinking dweebs like you. As usual, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Thanks for confirming that my efforts have not been wasted.

[Seth]

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Very, very well said.

[Seth]

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Cool story, bro; but posting a false analogy is like posting a false analogy.

Except of course it's not a false analogy, it's a precise analogy.

[Svartalf]

and why should I be deprived of that option just because some morons will missuse it?
should crossing streets be forbidden because they will be jaywalking and drunk drivers driving over pedestrians?

That is a very sorry argument. The law is full of examples where everyone is restricted from doing something, because a minority abuse the privilege. I had a good friend once who would get absolutely plastered with rum and coke, and then drive home. He drove slowly and with exaggerated care, and was not a danger to anyone. Yet he was breaking the law, and if caught would be done for Drunk in Charge.

The law is for everyone, and is designed to protect us. If a small number of people abuse guns and use high capacity magazines to carry out mass murders, then the proper response of the law is to ban those magazines. If you do not like it, tough.

the presentation wass deliberately over the top, the principle standss. Forbidding something becaue of possible abuses is punishing honest citizenss, not preventing criminals from going about their nefarious activities.

[Svartalf]

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Cool story, bro; but posting a false analogy is like posting a false analogy.

except when the analogy is correct.

[Seth]

To Seth

I am very well aware that fists, clubs etc can be lethal or nearly lethal. But most of the time they are not. The vast bulk of the time when one person attacks another with fists or club, the victim survives - often without serious injury.

And so, according to your abysmal logic, we should forbid everyone from effectively preventing someone from beating them up with fists or a club because "most of the time they are not" fatal attacks?

What an idiotic notion.

"Feb 14th, Las Vegas, Nevada. A former high school football coach and teacher from Florida is sentenced to three months in jail after being convicted of accidentally killing a Utah man with a single punch at a casino."

We recently had a guy stabbed between the eyes with a home made dagger, honed to a thinness like a stiletto. The knife penetrated his skull, almost entering the brain. After surgery, the victim went home and will have no lasting damage.

And you think this miraculous escape from certain death justifies disarming everyone? Are you completely fucked in the head?

The point is that an attack with a normally non lethal method should not be responded to with a lethal tool like a gun.

Why not? If the mere display of a firearm puts a stop to a potentially deadly attack, why shouldn't it be lawful? You come at me with a "home made dagger, honed to a thinness like a stiletto" and I pull my weapon and take aim at your center mass and tell you to fuck off somewhere else after dropping the weapon what are YOU going to do...continue to try to attack me, or drop the knife and run away? If the former, then you're too stupid to live because only an asshole brings a knife to a gunfight and you deserve to get shot dead. If the latter, the incident is terminated without anyone getting hurt because I was able to present superior and overwhelming force in self defense that convinced you that you were an instant and a couple of ounces away from losing your life.

Seems perfectly reasonable to me...and to most people who have more than 1/3 of a brain.

And in any truly civilised nation, such a response is a crime, with severe penalties.

Wrong. Any nation that does not allow its citizens to keep and bear arms for self defense in just such a situation is anything but civilized.

If the person being attacked truly wants to avoid the attack,most of the time there is a way without having to use lethal force.

Yeah, it's called "present superior, potentially lethal force and give the assailant the opportunity to abandon the attack" which is exactly the strategy that is used by the majority of law abiding gun owners in the US. But absent the ability to deploy lethal force should the assailant decide NOT to run away, most likely somebody's going to get killed, seriously injured or at the very least brutally victimized. My policy is that it's the crook with evil intentions who is going to end up dead or seriously injured if he persists in his attack.

Evidently you don't mind being ass-fucked by some thug because it might "violate his rights" for you to resist his desire to stick his cock in your anus. That's fine by me, you can take it up the ass whenever you like, but I'm going to drop him like a bag of wet cement.

I regard any asshole who uses lethal force when it is not truly necessary, simply because he is afraid, as an abject yellow bellied coward.

Given the fact that you have no fucking clue about how such events transpire and proceed, and the often razor-thin margin between life and death when dealing with an armed thug that gives victims mere split-seconds to either submit or fight back, your opinion is of absolutely no interest whatsoever.

Sheeple get what they deserve, and I hope that one day you will be brutally victimized by some thug just so that you will have the proper perspective and experience upon which to base a truly rational conclusion. Maybe being forced to watch your wife and daughter raped and mutilated to death (the breast-cutting scene in "Tears of the Sun" comes to mind) will change your opinion of who's the coward and who's not. (By the way, it's not the armed citizen, it's the one who advocates disarming others who's the coward)

Sound harsh and uncaring? It is. Intentionally so. That's because asswipes who presume to dictate to others how they will be permitted to defend themselves when facing violent criminal victimization are the lowest sort of scum on the face of the earth. They care only for their own tender sensibilities and idiotic reasoning and they care NOTHING for those who are made helpless victims of criminal violence by their tyrannical and despotic government. Such asswipes are as much loathsome criminals as the perpetrators of violent crime, if not more so because of their hubris and hypocrisy and their abuse of law and government in effectuating the deliberate, knowing and evil victimization of others.

[MrJonno]

This is because the simple act of (lawfully) carrying a gun raises your level of situational awareness

Fighter pilots have situational awareness, normal people generally just get on with life.

[Seth]

This is because the simple act of (lawfully) carrying a gun raises your level of situational awareness

Fighter pilots have situational awareness, normal people generally just get on with life.

What the fuck would you know about it?

But, truth is you're right, most people live their lives in "condition white," which is a state of obliviousness to the dangers that surround them and an acute lack of tactical and strategic planning for response to a critical situation of any kind, from a street robbery to a flash flood or tornado. That's why such people generally die when confronted by a crisis outside their experience.

If you want to die needlessly because you are not situationally aware and have no plan or training for responding to various crises, that's fine by me, you won't be missed at all.

But you may not use your lack of situational awareness or unpreparedness as a metric for limiting what others may do by way of preparing for a crisis.

Not everybody wants to be a dependent sheeple who is incapable of surviving for a day without the paternalistic oversight of some government functionary. Those who fail to prepare for crisis situations get what they deserve, and they stop posing obstacles to those who are prepared to survive by getting dead quickly.

[Seth]

Oh look, situational awareness and tactical planning and training in action:

Crime
Son Uses Father’s Gun to Defend Parents From Armed Home Intruders
Feb. 24, 2013 8:53am Madeleine Morgenstern

Texas Son Uses Fathers Gun to Protect Parents From Armed Home Intruders

Image source: KHOU-TV

One suspect is dead after a quick-thinking 21-year-old man sprang into action and grabbed his father’s gun to fend off three armed intruders and protect his parents in Texas.

The Houston-area young man and his parents were at home baking a cake Thursday night when there was a knock on the door, KHOU-TV reported.

“I see a young boy and I think it is a friend of my son so I open it a little bit,” the father, who didn’t want to show his face or give his name on camera, told KHOU. “These guys push and out comes two more, they push me on the ground.”

With the father down, the suspects went after the mother, telling her to get on the ground. She ran to her bedroom, where her son was already grabbing the gun from under the bed.

“I just hear a couple of times, boom, boom, boom,” the father said.

The son opened fire and struck one of the suspects, who died in one of the back bedrooms. The other two fled the scene, but deputies responding to the call picked up two men matching their description and took them in for questioning.

The entire attack lasted less than a minute, the family said. No charges are expected to be filed against the son, but they’re not taking any joy in the outcome.

“One young life is lost,” the father said.

[Seth]

A double-header today:

Crime
1 Dead After Alleged Home Invasion in North Carolina: ‘He Kept Beating Me So I Finally Got Out My .38…’
Feb. 23, 2013 8:55pm Erica Ritz

Hickory Homeowner Paul Ohla Kills Alleged Home Intruder in North Carolina

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An alleged robber is dead after breaking in to a house in Hickory, North Carolina.

Police received a call Saturday morning from a homeowner who said he’d shot an intruder, and arrived to find both men still at the house. The homeowner is alive and lightly injured; the intruder was pronounced dead at the scene.

The survivor, identified as Paul Ohla, explained his side of the story to WBTV3: “Guy kicked in the door, he came in and, ah, grabbed me and threw me down…He kept beating me and I finally got a hold of my .38, and I shot him.”

52-year-old Carl Perry, a neighbor, said he heard two or three shots, according to the Hickory Record.
Hickory Homeowner Paul Ohla Kills Alleged Home Intruder in North Carolina

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“I think it’s a bad deal went wrong,” he remarked.

Ohla was taken to the hospital for light injuries sustained during the altercation, but is expected to make a full recovery.

Investigators are still piecing together exactly what happened, but did find evidence of a break-in. Ohla is reportedly cooperating with police, and says he was acting in self-defense against a man he did not know.

[MrJonno]

Not everybody wants to be a dependent sheeple who is incapable of surviving for a day without the paternalistic oversight of some government functionary. Those who fail to prepare for crisis situations get what they deserve, and they stop posing obstacles to those who are prepared to survive by getting dead quickly.

In a planet of 7 billion no one can function without a government, no one at all. Non-psychopaths realise from an early age that their survivial relies on others.

The cult of the individual the most evil ideology ever invented

[Jason]

Individually people are much smarter than the herd. Herd mentality is stupid and reactionary. That's why herds have leaders.

[Blind groper]

In a planet of 7 billion no one can function without a government, no one at all. Non-psychopaths realise from an early age that their survivial relies on others.

The cult of the individual the most evil ideology ever invented

I agree with this totally. In the last 1,000 years, the murder rate has dropped, in England, from 100 killings per 100,000 people per year to just 1.2 today. This is the result of civilisation, which includes good central government, laws, and police. The support of government, police etc., is the opposite of the cult of the individual, and delivers security in a way that the individual, with his anarchy, cannot.

Seth has this very weird idea that giving everyone guns will reduce problems. The facts say the opposite. The only nation among the 24 richest with widespread ownership of guns also has four times the per capita murder rate of the others.

When civilians carry guns for self defense, so will criminals carry guns for what they see as their own self defense. An attack will not be with a knife, but a bullet. The more guns carried by civilians, the more carried by criminals, and the more murders that will be committed. Seth's views are utterly and completely insane.

[MrJonno]

Thats the point, Seth wants an end to civilization and the death of billions. It's the only way he can be free from its evil grasp of society by destroying it.

To me a zombie movie is about horror and the end of the world to people like him its porn

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Thats the point, Seth wants an end to civilization and the death of billions. It's the only way he can be free from its evil grasp of society by destroying it.

To me a zombie movie is about horror and the end of the world to people like him its porn

Bah, he'd be crying like a baby the instant the shit hits the fan. Pure bluster, that boy.