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Re: Geologists throw wobbler over graffiti on Cliffs of Mohe

Post by klr » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:17 pm

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mistermack wrote:The trouble with graffiti there is that it's such a beautiful spot. Any manmade art is going to look shit in comparison.
And sure enough it does.

Put it somewhere even more ugly than the art. But in this case, it would take a lot of searching.
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mistermack wrote: Knowing the Irish, someone will go there with some power kit and obliterate it. Hopefully. I might do it myself.
I'm going near there tomorrow, but it's too cold to bother, this time of year.
Wait, you're going to be in this neck of the woods tomorrow? :ask:
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Re: Geologists throw wobbler over graffiti on Cliffs of Mohe

Post by mistermack » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:22 pm

klr wrote:Not fun indeed. :ddpan:

I'll be passing through Ennis at some point in a train myself.
No, it hurts, even though she's 96. She's been a second mother to my family.
Miserable time for all. Two of my sisters are there now.

That's what I don't like about this kind of vandalism. Lots of people have happy memories of the Cliffs of Moher, and it just feels like someone just pissed all over it.
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Re: Geologists throw wobbler over graffiti on Cliffs of Mohe

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:23 pm

hadespussercats wrote:Well, who's going by that spot? I mean, isn't getting there akin to what the mountain bikers were doing a few posts previous?
Still a blot.
Part of what gives graffiti its worth is how difficult it was for the artist to get to the spot they've tagged.
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Re: Geologists throw wobbler over graffiti on Cliffs of Mohe

Post by Clinton Huxley » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:26 pm

Saatchi is going to have to buy the Cliffs of Moher now...
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Re: Geologists throw wobbler over graffiti on Cliffs of Mohe

Post by rainbow » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:33 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:Saatchi is going to have to buy the Cliffs of Moher now...
OK, but you poms have plenty of ugly buildings that could be improved by splashing on a bit of paint.

Like the monument to C3PO:
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Re: Geologists throw wobbler over graffiti on Cliffs of Mohe

Post by klr » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:33 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:Saatchi is going to have to buy the Cliffs of Moher now...
Just don't let that mad Bulgarian at it. You know, the guy who covered entire buildings and other structures.

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Re: Geologists throw wobbler over graffiti on Cliffs of Mohe

Post by Clinton Huxley » Thu Feb 21, 2013 1:47 pm

In the future, everything, EVERYTHING, will have to have a QR code on it. If you can't scan it on your smartphone, it doesn't exist.
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Re: Geologists throw wobbler over graffiti on Cliffs of Mohe

Post by hadespussercats » Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:52 pm

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mistermack wrote:The trouble with graffiti there is that it's such a beautiful spot. Any manmade art is going to look shit in comparison.
And sure enough it does.

Put it somewhere even more ugly than the art. But in this case, it would take a lot of searching.

Knowing the Irish, someone will go there with some power kit and obliterate it. Hopefully. I might do it myself.
I'm going near there tomorrow, but it's too cold to bother, this time of year.
I'm not giving a general endorsement here of defacing natural wonders. But someone went to a lot of effort for this one, and I think it's pretty.
Effort, danger and difficulty getting there is absolutely no excuse for defacing areas of natural beauty. Once you set a precedent, it becomes a free-for-all, and suddenly the natural beauty of all the bits of rock face that we can get to ourselves is lost. You can't clean a sedimentary rock-face without taking off the weathered surface layer to reveal the clean rock underneath, which would be as much of a scar as the paint, and for years. The paint kills the lichens and other things that take decades to grow.
So they'll need to post some guards to keep people off.

It could have been a lot worse. Some hateful bastard painted a swastika on Plymouth Rock. And he didn't even get it right-- painted the mirror image of one.

I realize there's an argument to be made that that at least raises questions/confronts identity, etc., and thus might have a higher claim to the title of art than the graffiti at Moher. I don't see it that way. All I'm saying is I think this particular tag is pretty. And considering it's supposedly very difficult to impossible to remove, that's a lucky break.

And to Mr. Huxley-- I never claimed it added value to the cliffs. But I do have to side with Ani that there's no real difference between this and the paintings at Lascaux, or the pictographs in canyons in the American Southwest, other than age.
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Re: Geologists throw wobbler over graffiti on Cliffs of Mohe

Post by hadespussercats » Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:59 pm

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hadespussercats wrote:Well, who's going by that spot? I mean, isn't getting there akin to what the mountain bikers were doing a few posts previous?
Still a blot.
Part of what gives graffiti its worth is how difficult it was for the artist to get to the spot they've tagged.
"worth"? :funny:
Ooooooh. Now I see what CH was referring to. That was just a comment on tags in general-- they garner more prestige for the artist if it was dangerous to get to the site where the painting happened.

I'm not talking about thinking this painting is a valuable art item-- I just meant it took someone who didn't care about danger to do it-- which hopefully means that attempts to do more of the same would be rare and relatively easy to prevent.

Oh, and as a by-the-by, I often like the paintings in and on subways and bridges too.
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Re: Geologists throw wobbler over graffiti on Cliffs of Mohe

Post by klr » Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:03 pm

hadespussercats wrote: It could have been a lot worse. Some hateful bastard painted a swastika on Plymouth Rock. And he didn't even get it right-- painted the mirror image of one.

...
Both directions are valid as far as the swastika goes, if one ignores the specific Nazi usage. But that's probably what this guy meant to portray, so still a fail.
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Re: Geologists throw wobbler over graffiti on Cliffs of Mohe

Post by hadespussercats » Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:03 pm

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Clinton Huxley wrote:Saatchi is going to have to buy the Cliffs of Moher now...
Just don't let that mad Bulgarian at it. You know, the guy who covered entire buildings and other structures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christo_and_Jeanne-Claude
There were two of them (see link.) And I think a lot of their work was beautiful, too.
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Re: Geologists throw wobbler over graffiti on Cliffs of Mohe

Post by hadespussercats » Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:04 pm

klr wrote:
hadespussercats wrote: It could have been a lot worse. Some hateful bastard painted a swastika on Plymouth Rock. And he didn't even get it right-- painted the mirror image of one.

...
Both directions are valid as far as the swastika goes, if one ignores the specific Nazi usage. But that's probably what this guy meant to portray, so still a fail.
Yes, I don't think he was Anasazi.
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Re: Geologists throw wobbler over graffiti on Cliffs of Mohe

Post by mistermack » Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:48 pm

hadespussercats wrote:
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Clinton Huxley wrote:Saatchi is going to have to buy the Cliffs of Moher now...
Just don't let that mad Bulgarian at it. You know, the guy who covered entire buildings and other structures.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christo_and_Jeanne-Claude
There were two of them (see link.) And I think a lot of their work was beautiful, too.
I get the feeling that you like any old crap.
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Re: Geologists throw wobbler over graffiti on Cliffs of Mohe

Post by Pappa » Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:49 pm

I like it. It's hardly defacing in any permanent sense. Exposed to the elements as it is, I doubt it'll last a decade.

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Re: Geologists throw wobbler over graffiti on Cliffs of Mohe

Post by Clinton Huxley » Thu Feb 21, 2013 6:00 pm

The simple fact is that the perpetrator and anyone who supports him deserves to be birched.
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