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Post by Woodbutcher » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:49 pm

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In one year, lives saved and protected from criminal violence: 800,000 to 2.5 million

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Post by MrJonno » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:03 pm

In one year, lives saved and protected from criminal violence: 800,000 to 2.5 million
Cool 800 000 to 2.5 million lives 'saved' thats really an advert for a gun culture

You do realise if you increased that to 8 million to 25 million that would be 10 times more reasons not to have guns in a culture
When only criminals carry guns the police know exactly who to shoot!

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Post by Woodbutcher » Mon Feb 18, 2013 9:12 pm

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In one year, lives saved and protected from criminal violence: 800,000 to 2.5 million

You lose.
Yes. You need guns to protect you from criminals with guns because you are losers. You lose again. :funny:
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Post by Blind groper » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:21 pm

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In one year, lives saved and protected from criminal violence: 800,000 to 2.5 million
Amazing how some people cannot get past bullshit figures that are plain wrong!

First : John Lott is a charlaton.

Second : If 800,000 to 2.5 million get protected by guns, and only one third of American people have guns (true fact), then 2,400,000 to 7.5 million people who do not have guns must get murdered each year.

Come on, Seth. Use your brain for once.
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Post by Warren Dew » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:37 am

Seth included "and protected" in there. Total crime in the U.S. is certainly above 2.4 million per year.

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Post by FBM » Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:19 am

California to Ban all Semi-Automatic Guns, Confiscate Firearms and Limit Ammo Sales




California legislators are in the process of rolling out what will be the strictest gun control laws in the country. Democrat state Legislatures rolled out a list of proposals that will instantly criminalize most of the state’s law abiding gun owners.
The new law would outlaw all semiautomatic weapons, criminalize anyone who has more than 500 rounds of ammo, and require a permit to buy ammunition in the future. California, which already has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country, is also looking at a proposal which would call for the immediate confiscation of 166,000 registered modern sporting rifles. This is why people are against Registration!

Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento, unveiled the gun control package in a news conference Thursday at the state Capitol.
The package includes:
Banning the possession — not just manufacture and sale — of magazines holding more than 10 rounds.
Making possession of hollow point bullets and similar “assault bullets” a felony.
Requiring anyone wishing to buy ammunition to first get a permit by passing a background check.
Requiring the registration and reporting of all ammo purchases. Limits the number of rounds anyone can have at one time to 500 rounds.
Requiring all gun owners will have to be licensed like drivers, and will be forced to carry gun liability insurance.
Banning any gun that has a detachable magazine, and requires a 100% prohibition of all fixed magazines greater than 10 rounds.
Making all previous grandfathered magazines become illegal, and it will become a felony if you keep one.
Prohibiting anyone barred from owning a weapon from living in a home where weapons are kept
Expanding the list of crimes that would bar a person from gun possession.
Letting the state Justice Department use money from the state’s Dealer’s Record of Sale system to eliminate the backlog of people identified as no longer allowed to own guns but not yet investigated and contacted by law enforcement.
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Post by Seth » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:38 am

Blind groper wrote:
Seth wrote:
In one year, lives saved and protected from criminal violence: 800,000 to 2.5 million
Amazing how some people cannot get past bullshit figures that are plain wrong!
They're not wrong. The first figure is from the DOJ, the second is an estimate including defensive gun uses that don't get reported because no crime occurred and no shots were fired.
First : John Lott is a charlaton.
First: There is no such thing as a "charlaton." Second, You're free to believe any anti-gun propaganda you like, but that doesn't make your assertions true.
Second : If 800,000 to 2.5 million get protected by guns, and only one third of American people have guns (true fact), then 2,400,000 to 7.5 million people who do not have guns must get murdered each year.
Here's the proof that you don't know your asshole from a hole in the ground when it comes to statistical analysis, which makes the rest of your assertions just so much...what was that phrase??... Oh, yeah, "bum custard."

Your idiotic conclusion falsely assumes that there is a relationship between the percentage of people who you claim own guns (nobody, including the BATFE, knows for sure how many people have guns, but there were more than 65 MILLION NICS background checks, an all-time record, last year) and the amount of criminal victimization of gun owners versus non-gun owners.

There isn't.
Come on, Seth. Use your brain for once.
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Post by Seth » Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:45 am

MrJonno wrote:
In one year, lives saved and protected from criminal violence: 800,000 to 2.5 million
Cool 800 000 to 2.5 million lives 'saved' thats really an advert for a gun culture

You do realise if you increased that to 8 million to 25 million that would be 10 times more reasons not to have guns in a culture
Nope. You're wrong. This is because neither the absolute numbers nor the per capita figures have any relevance at all. You see, owning a gun is a civil right under our law, and the right of each and every individual person to be armed for self defense trumps any and all statistical arguments. To amend a hackneyed old anti-gun phrase, "If guns in the hands of law abiding citizens saves JUST ONE LIFE it's worth it for society to be well-armed."

Neither you nor anyone else is permitted to reduce my right to life and my right to self defense to a cold-hearted calculation by some bureaucrat that it's "worth it" in terms of public safety that I be disarmed. My life is not a statistic, nor is anyone else's, and our right to armed self defense is both natural and fundamental and will not be infringed.

If you want to try to come take my guns, come get some and we'll see who prevails. Of course you won't because you're a coward, so I won't lose any sleep.
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Post by aspire1670 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:29 am

Seth wrote:
MrJonno wrote:
In one year, lives saved and protected from criminal violence: 800,000 to 2.5 million
Cool 800 000 to 2.5 million lives 'saved' thats really an advert for a gun culture

You do realise if you increased that to 8 million to 25 million that would be 10 times more reasons not to have guns in a culture
Nope. You're wrong. This is because neither the absolute numbers nor the per capita figures have any relevance at all. You see, owning a gun is a civil right under our law, and the right of each and every individual person to be armed for self defense trumps any and all statistical arguments. To amend a hackneyed old anti-gun phrase, "If guns in the hands of law abiding citizens saves JUST ONE LIFE it's worth it for society to be well-armed."

Neither you nor anyone else is permitted to reduce my right to life and my right to self defense to a cold-hearted calculation by some bureaucrat that it's "worth it" in terms of public safety that I be disarmed. My life is not a statistic, nor is anyone else's, and our right to armed self defense is both natural and fundamental and will not be infringed.

If you want to try to come take my guns, come get some and we'll see who prevails. Of course you won't because you're a coward, so I won't lose any sleep.
Post your address online together with an open invitation to take your guns, Seth.
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Post by JimC » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:34 am

FBM wrote:
MrJonno wrote:No one has a 'right' to self defence period, its legal in restricted circumstances and thats it
Nobody has the right to defend themselves? What the fuck lunacy is this? A zebra can't kick back at a lion? Have you totally lost your shit, dood?
I suspect he meant to say that the right to self defence is not unlimited, and has legal restraints. If you defend yourself using disproportionate force (e.g. you are shoved, and you take out a gun and kill someone), you will be open to prosecution.
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Post by FBM » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:43 am

That's not what I get from, "No one has a 'right' to self defence period..." (sic). :dunno:

Maybe he's trying to make a distinction between something being legal and it being a right?
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Post by MrJonno » Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:53 am

Nope. You're wrong. This is because neither the absolute numbers nor the per capita figures have any relevance at all. You see, owning a gun is a civil right under our law, and the right of each and every individual person to be armed for self defense trumps any and all statistical arguments. To amend a hackneyed old anti-gun phrase, "If guns in the hands of law abiding citizens saves JUST ONE LIFE it's worth it for society to be well-armed."

Neither you nor anyone else is permitted to reduce my right to life and my right to self defense to a cold-hearted calculation by some bureaucrat that it's "worth it" in terms of public safety that I be disarmed. My life is not a statistic, nor is anyone else's, and our right to armed self defense is both natural and fundamental and will not be infringed.

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Post by Seth » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:51 pm

aspire1670 wrote:
Post your address online together with an open invitation to take your guns, Seth.
That would be bad tactical and strategic planning. I see no reason to make it easy for you or anyone else. The whole point of CONCEALED handguns is that the bad guys don't know who has them and who doesn't until they are looking down the muzzle at the flash. That uncertainty for criminals is precisely why widespread lawful concealed carry reduces violent crime in every place it's lawful.
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Post by Seth » Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:53 pm

MrJonno wrote:
Nope. You're wrong. This is because neither the absolute numbers nor the per capita figures have any relevance at all. You see, owning a gun is a civil right under our law, and the right of each and every individual person to be armed for self defense trumps any and all statistical arguments. To amend a hackneyed old anti-gun phrase, "If guns in the hands of law abiding citizens saves JUST ONE LIFE it's worth it for society to be well-armed."

Neither you nor anyone else is permitted to reduce my right to life and my right to self defense to a cold-hearted calculation by some bureaucrat that it's "worth it" in terms of public safety that I be disarmed. My life is not a statistic, nor is anyone else's, and our right to armed self defense is both natural and fundamental and will not be infringed.

Society does not revolve around you, the universe does not revolve around you. You are a cog in the machine , damage the machine you damage everyone
Sucks to be them I guess. They should be more independent and personally responsible. As I said, my right to effective armed self-defense will not be infringed, because I will not allow it to be infringed.
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