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Re: Attenborough Betrays His Age, Snubs Gay Animals

Post by cronus » Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:51 am

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Clinton Huxley wrote:Now, I'm gerneally in favour of eccentrics being given research funding and I'm against a purely utilitarian approach to dishing out the taxpayers hard-earned but sometimes.....

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Research interests - popular television forms, in particular comedy; especially interested in the sitcom, both historically and institutionally, as well as its national and international inflections.
Considering how much time people spend watching sitcoms, I can see why it might be a subject worth researching. And lots of researchers are curious about comedy.
Maybe so, but it doesn't exactly qualify him to be a serious academic commentator on wildlife documentaries.
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Re: Attenborough Betrays His Age, Snubs Gay Animals

Post by hadespussercats » Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:39 pm

JimC wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:Now, I'm gerneally in favour of eccentrics being given research funding and I'm against a purely utilitarian approach to dishing out the taxpayers hard-earned but sometimes.....

Dr Mills:-
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Research interests - popular television forms, in particular comedy; especially interested in the sitcom, both historically and institutionally, as well as its national and international inflections.
Considering how much time people spend watching sitcoms, I can see why it might be a subject worth researching. And lots of researchers are curious about comedy.
Maybe so, but it doesn't exactly qualify him to be a serious academic commentator on wildlife documentaries.
I don't see why not. He studies the social impact of television viewing. And it's within that context that he's making his appeal. It's not like he's attempting to posit any new information about zoology.

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Re: Attenborough Betrays His Age, Snubs Gay Animals

Post by JimC » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:07 am

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...It's not like he's attempting to posit any new information about zoology.
...
Yes he is...
with heterosexuality only one of the many possible options.
Which is absolute biological crap... Heterosexuality is the vastly dominant sexual mechanism in the animal kingdom, taken as a whole. Homosexuality is an interesting activity that occurs in a tiny minority of advanced, social animals, well worth studying to be sure. But the statement is politically correct bullshit, without a single shadow of a doubt.

This whole argument is in danger of a serious mistake in ethics - biology does not drive human ethical positions, although it may inform them. Gay rights issues depend not one whit on any form of biological issue, they depend on ethical appreciations of individual human rights.
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:49 am

Bah, I'd be happy to subsidise someone to write some jokes but if anyone wants to metacontextualise the narrative of hegemonic humourosity in a gender-diffuse multiply-polar-moralisphere, they can whistle.

Opps, forgot to use the word "discourse".
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Re: Attenborough Betrays His Age, Snubs Gay Animals

Post by JimC » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:51 am

Clinton Huxley wrote:Bah, I'd be happy to subsidise someone to write some jokes but if anyone wants to metacontextualise the narrative of hegemonic humourosity in a gender-diffuse multiply-polar-moralisphere, they can whistle.

Opps, forgot to use the word "discourse".
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Re: Attenborough Betrays His Age, Snubs Gay Animals

Post by Clinton Huxley » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:57 am

JimC wrote:
Clinton Huxley wrote:Bah, I'd be happy to subsidise someone to write some jokes but if anyone wants to metacontextualise the narrative of hegemonic humourosity in a gender-diffuse multiply-polar-moralisphere, they can whistle.

Opps, forgot to use the word "discourse".
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Re: Attenborough Betrays His Age, Snubs Gay Animals

Post by JimC » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:00 am

As long as you don't take any pleasure from the sticking...
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Post by cronus » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:02 am

Ducks are a interesting species. Why hasn't he covered the shenanigans ducks get up to?
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Re: Attenborough Betrays His Age, Snubs Gay Animals

Post by Clinton Huxley » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:10 am

Scrumple wrote:Ducks are a interesting species. Why hasn't he covered the shenanigans ducks get up to?
Ducks? They're not all they're quacked up to be.
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Scrumple wrote:Ducks are a interesting species. Why hasn't he covered the shenanigans ducks get up to?
I kinda mentioned that.
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Post by JimC » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:24 am

Audley Strange wrote:
Scrumple wrote:Ducks are a interesting species. Why hasn't he covered the shenanigans ducks get up to?
I kinda mentioned that.
Rape.

In the animal kingdom as a whole, there is a smooth continuum from what humans would regard as consensual sex (including the far end of the pendulum where the female devours the male) through to rape...

None of which alters the way humans need to deal with legal and ethical issues of sex...
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Re: Attenborough Betrays His Age, Snubs Gay Animals

Post by cronus » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:38 am

JimC wrote:
Audley Strange wrote:
Scrumple wrote:Ducks are a interesting species. Why hasn't he covered the shenanigans ducks get up to?
I kinda mentioned that.
Rape.

In the animal kingdom as a whole, there is a smooth continuum from what humans would regard as consensual sex (including the far end of the pendulum where the female devours the male) through to rape...

None of which alters the way humans need to deal with legal and ethical issues of sex...
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Re: Attenborough Betrays His Age, Snubs Gay Animals

Post by JimC » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:39 am

I agree with your second sentence. Especially if orange is involved...
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Re: Attenborough Betrays His Age, Snubs Gay Animals

Post by hadespussercats » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:55 pm

JimC wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:

...It's not like he's attempting to posit any new information about zoology.
...
Yes he is...
with heterosexuality only one of the many possible options.
Which is absolute biological crap... Heterosexuality is the vastly dominant sexual mechanism in the animal kingdom, taken as a whole. Homosexuality is an interesting activity that occurs in a tiny minority of advanced, social animals, well worth studying to be sure. But the statement is politically correct bullshit, without a single shadow of a doubt.

This whole argument is in danger of a serious mistake in ethics - biology does not drive human ethical positions, although it may inform them. Gay rights issues depend not one whit on any form of biological issue, they depend on ethical appreciations of individual human rights.
Recognizing that heterosexuality is the dominant behavior in sexual animals doesn't preclude there being many possible options. Or that a few of those options might warrant discussion.
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Re: Attenborough Betrays His Age, Snubs Gay Animals

Post by cronus » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:05 pm

hadespussercats wrote:
JimC wrote:
hadespussercats wrote:

...It's not like he's attempting to posit any new information about zoology.
...
Yes he is...
with heterosexuality only one of the many possible options.
Which is absolute biological crap... Heterosexuality is the vastly dominant sexual mechanism in the animal kingdom, taken as a whole. Homosexuality is an interesting activity that occurs in a tiny minority of advanced, social animals, well worth studying to be sure. But the statement is politically correct bullshit, without a single shadow of a doubt.

This whole argument is in danger of a serious mistake in ethics - biology does not drive human ethical positions, although it may inform them. Gay rights issues depend not one whit on any form of biological issue, they depend on ethical appreciations of individual human rights.
Recognizing that heterosexuality is the dominant behavior in sexual animals doesn't preclude there being many possible options. Or that a few of those options might warrant discussion.
I make allowance for Australians. There is a lag with these things. It isn't anything to do with a agenda JimC. The war is over so put your guns down, it is about giving a rounded and accurate picture whilst making up for past neglect. Nothing more.
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