Republicans are hypocrites

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Re: Republicans are hypocrites

Post by Seth » Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:47 pm

Blind groper wrote:You Americans could take a tip from little ol' New Zealand (Australia too, I think).

We have an independent Electoral Commission which sets the electoral boundaries. It is totally out of the hands of those bloody politicians. We have another commission which sets the salaries of politicians, which is also totally independent of political control.

New Zealand has been listed as the least corrupt nation on Earth, and it is no coincidence that we take power out of the hands of politicians, when that power leads to corruption.
First, there is no such thing as an "independent commission" particularly when it comes to redistricting. Commissions are made up of people, each of whom has their own personal political agenda and will use that to influence their vote one way or another.\

But, I'm all for taking power out of the hands of politicians, right up until it leads to tyranny of the majority.

That being said, the ONLY way to fairly district any state is to do so by geography. Districts should be laid out according to the UTM grid with no exceptions being made to the boundaries of the grid. Equal representation could only be achieved by adding or subtracting whole ADJACENT grids from a district to balance the raw population numbers in each district based only on Census figures and survey data. Each district would have to be square and aligned with the UTM grid.

This should be a mathematical calculation not subject to ANY political vote whatsoever that is performed by the National Geodetic Survey in cooperation with the Census Bureau. The calculations should be public record that can be challenged in court if the formula is deviated from.
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Re: Republicans are hypocrites

Post by JimC » Sat Jan 26, 2013 4:21 am

Blind groper wrote:You Americans could take a tip from little ol' New Zealand (Australia too, I think).

We have an independent Electoral Commission which sets the electoral boundaries. It is totally out of the hands of those bloody politicians. We have another commission which sets the salaries of politicians, which is also totally independent of political control.

New Zealand has been listed as the least corrupt nation on Earth, and it is no coincidence that we take power out of the hands of politicians, when that power leads to corruption.
Yep, much better not to expose politicians to yet one more temptation to be corrupt. It's all about checks and balances...
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Re: Republicans are hypocrites

Post by Tero » Mon Feb 04, 2013 11:32 pm

cloning old white men might save them
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Re: Republicans are hypocrites

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Feb 05, 2013 11:50 am

JimC wrote:
Blind groper wrote:You Americans could take a tip from little ol' New Zealand (Australia too, I think).

We have an independent Electoral Commission which sets the electoral boundaries. It is totally out of the hands of those bloody politicians. We have another commission which sets the salaries of politicians, which is also totally independent of political control.

New Zealand has been listed as the least corrupt nation on Earth, and it is no coincidence that we take power out of the hands of politicians, when that power leads to corruption.
Yep, much better not to expose politicians to yet one more temptation to be corrupt. It's all about checks and balances...
Wait. You're saying those guys aren't susceptible to corruption? What planet do they come from?
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Post by Blind groper » Tue Feb 05, 2013 9:06 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote: Wait. You're saying those guys aren't susceptible to corruption? What planet do they come from?
I cannot speak for Australia, but here in NZ, we have very little corruption.
http://www.3news.co.nz/NZ-one-of-least- ... fault.aspx
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Post by Seth » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:07 am

Blind groper wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote: Wait. You're saying those guys aren't susceptible to corruption? What planet do they come from?
I cannot speak for Australia, but here in NZ, we have very little corruption.
...that you know about...and as compared to whom? Zimbabwe? Compared to Zimbabwe, anybody comes out smelling like a rose.
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Re: Republicans are hypocrites

Post by klr » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:13 am

Methinks you need to fix your quote tags, unless you want people to think you live in Kiwi land ... :)
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Re: Republicans are hypocrites

Post by Blind groper » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:16 am

Seth wrote:
Blind groper wrote: I cannot speak for Australia, but here in NZ, we have very little corruption.
...that you know about...and as compared to whom? Zimbabwe? Compared to Zimbabwe, anybody comes out smelling like a rose.
Compared to Texas.
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Re: Republicans are hypocrites

Post by JimC » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:10 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
JimC wrote:
Blind groper wrote:You Americans could take a tip from little ol' New Zealand (Australia too, I think).

We have an independent Electoral Commission which sets the electoral boundaries. It is totally out of the hands of those bloody politicians. We have another commission which sets the salaries of politicians, which is also totally independent of political control.

New Zealand has been listed as the least corrupt nation on Earth, and it is no coincidence that we take power out of the hands of politicians, when that power leads to corruption.
Yep, much better not to expose politicians to yet one more temptation to be corrupt. It's all about checks and balances...
Wait. You're saying those guys aren't susceptible to corruption? What planet do they come from?
Being susceptible is curable if you know people are looking over your shoulder...
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Re: Republicans are hypocrites

Post by JimC » Wed Feb 06, 2013 9:13 am

Seth wrote:
Blind groper wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote: Wait. You're saying those guys aren't susceptible to corruption? What planet do they come from?
I cannot speak for Australia, but here in NZ, we have very little corruption.
...that you know about...and as compared to whom? Zimbabwe? Compared to Zimbabwe, anybody comes out smelling like a rose.
This is very specific; corruption by political party machines in terms of electoral boundaries. BG and I are saying that oversight of such matters by non-politicians is a sensible move, nothing more...
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