'Angry young men' lack optimism

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Re: 'Angry young men' lack optimism

Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:43 pm

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Gerald McGrew wrote:Them youngsters....they don't know how good they have it!!! Not like in my day!!

Glad my parents never said anything like that about my generation.
Tell me about it! Back in my day, we were beaten with a razor strop until we were optimistic.

....if we were looky.

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Post by FBM » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:44 pm

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Gerald McGrew wrote:Them youngsters....they don't know how good they have it!!! Not like in my day!!

Glad my parents never said anything like that about my generation.
Tell me about it! Back in my day, we were beaten with a razor strop until we were optimistic.

....if we were looky.
Try telling the kids today that... :nono:
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:47 pm

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Coito ergo sum wrote:
FBM wrote:
Gerald McGrew wrote:Them youngsters....they don't know how good they have it!!! Not like in my day!!

Glad my parents never said anything like that about my generation.
Tell me about it! Back in my day, we were beaten with a razor strop until we were optimistic.

....if we were looky.
Try telling the kids today that... :nono:
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Post by FBM » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:51 pm

Drunk out of a rolled up newspaper...
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Feb 05, 2013 5:54 pm

The best we could manage was to suck on a piece of damp cloth.

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Post by FBM » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:07 pm

You were lucky. We had it rough.
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:08 pm

But you know, we were happy in those days, though we were poor.

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Re: 'Angry young men' lack optimism

Post by JimC » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:14 am

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laklak wrote:Workhouses, that's the answer.

I like Korea's system of 2 years of mandatory military service. I can instantly tell which of my students have done it and which haven't. The ones who have aren't fuck-ups anymore. They know how to set a goal and make a plan to attain it. The ones who haven't still don't know their asses from a hole in the ground.
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Post by Svartalf » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:22 am

FBM wrote:
Gerald McGrew wrote:Them youngsters....they don't know how good they have it!!! Not like in my day!!

Glad my parents never said anything like that about my generation.
Tell me about it! Back in my day, we were beaten with a razor strop until we were optimistic.
Or hid your despair by pretending to be.
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Post by Azathoth » Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:54 am

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Re: 'Angry young men' lack optimism

Post by MrJonno » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:01 pm

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Gerald McGrew wrote:Them youngsters....they don't know how good they have it!!! Not like in my day!!

Glad my parents never said anything like that about my generation.
I'm not saying they have it easier. They're saying they have it harder.

Like I said -- oh, they are worried about getting good jobs and finding a house to buy? Well, join the club. It's called "Club Everybody" and we meet down at the Pub at 6pm.

Give me a fucking break -- oh, the humanity -- home ownership levels have sunk to their 1988 rates of 64%, so that means only nearly 2/3 are homeowners. Big flippin' deal. What is expected? 80% homeownership rates? Let me guess -- "we need to start doing more, and subsidizing the home ownership ambitions of healthy, relatively well-educated, able-bodied, young men." :funny:
In the 80's there was a rental market especially public housing, these days if you can't afford a mortgage then you won't be able to afford to rent as thats almost always more expensive.

It's very simple now if you want to ever buy a house ask daddy, that simply hasnt been true in the past
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Re: 'Angry young men' lack optimism

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:11 pm

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Coito ergo sum wrote:
Gerald McGrew wrote:Them youngsters....they don't know how good they have it!!! Not like in my day!!

Glad my parents never said anything like that about my generation.
I'm not saying they have it easier. They're saying they have it harder.

Like I said -- oh, they are worried about getting good jobs and finding a house to buy? Well, join the club. It's called "Club Everybody" and we meet down at the Pub at 6pm.

Give me a fucking break -- oh, the humanity -- home ownership levels have sunk to their 1988 rates of 64%, so that means only nearly 2/3 are homeowners. Big flippin' deal. What is expected? 80% homeownership rates? Let me guess -- "we need to start doing more, and subsidizing the home ownership ambitions of healthy, relatively well-educated, able-bodied, young men." :funny:
In the 80's there was a rental market especially public housing, these days if you can't afford a mortgage then you won't be able to afford to rent as thats almost always more expensive.
Sounds like there must be a lot of homelessness there, then, if as you say not being able to afford a mortgage means you also won't be able to afford rent.

MrJonno wrote: It's very simple now if you want to ever buy a house ask daddy, that simply hasnt been true in the past
What does this even mean? It was usually much harder to buy houses in the 80's, 70s, 60's and 50s, etc. Financing was harder to get. Down payments were higher. People saved for decades to buy houses "back in the day." It became easier, for a time, to buy houses because the financing options became easier to get, and cheaper. Houses get financed around here for 4.25% and for like 3% down payments, and the no-money-down mortgage is coming back, too. Not sure if those kind of rates are available in jolly old England -- what are the rates there?

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Post by cronus » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:15 pm

The article applies to the UK. Whilst there may be some overlap with the states there are enough differences in conditions and national character to make some confusion fairly inevitable. So let's be tolerant here and make more light with less steam?
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Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:23 pm

Scrumple wrote:The article applies to the UK. Whilst there may be some overlap with the states there are enough differences in conditions and national character to make some confusion fairly inevitable. So let's be tolerant here and make more light with less steam?
I was aware of that. That's why I said I wasn't sure if the rates were the same there.

But, it does sound weird that not being able to afford a mortgage would also mean that one would not be able to find a place to rent. Sounds like that would cause a lot of homelessness.

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Post by cronus » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:34 pm

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Scrumple wrote:The article applies to the UK. Whilst there may be some overlap with the states there are enough differences in conditions and national character to make some confusion fairly inevitable. So let's be tolerant here and make more light with less steam?
I was aware of that. That's why I said I wasn't sure if the rates were the same there.

But, it does sound weird that not being able to afford a mortgage would also mean that one would not be able to find a place to rent. Sounds like that would cause a lot of homelessness.
It would except there is a vast web of family connections holding the insanity of the UK together. :coffee:
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