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Re: Rupert Murdoch apologises over Gerald Scarfe cartoon

Post by cronus » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:20 am

What do folks here reckon would happen without a wall? Do you think they'd get along like good neighbors with a low fence? :think:
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I think while ever Israel oppresses them, the Palestinians will fight back whatever way they can.
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Post by cronus » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:34 am

rEvolutionist wrote:I think while ever Israel oppresses them, the Palestinians will fight back whatever way they can.
It's the Middle East. Been like that, one way or anther, for sometime. It'll never change. :coffee:
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Unless the US stops supporting Israeli terrorism.
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rEvolutionist wrote:Unless the US stops supporting Israeli terrorism.
Things will just go more chaotic without the US. The Russians sell arms and so do the Chinese, as well as the over-clocked Jewish brain itself. The US isn't necessary for the Middle East to continue being a bloodbath. It is highly visible right now but it isn't necessary at all.
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The US hinders peace through its constant vetoing of UNSC resolutions against Israel. Without the US doing that, Israeli oppression/terrorism wouldn't be happening as much, and therefore Palestinian terrorism would likely not be happening as much. As it is, the situation worsens with time thanks to US interference. I'm not saying it will be an easy problem to solve, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that the situation would improve if the situation was dealt with more equitably.

Essentially, if there is anywhere in the world (other than the Koreas) that a UN peacekeeping force is needed, it's between Israel and Palestine.
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Re: Rupert Murdoch apologises over Gerald Scarfe cartoon

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rEvolutionist wrote:The US hinders peace through its constant vetoing of UNSC resolutions against Israel. Without the US doing that, Israeli oppression/terrorism wouldn't be happening as much, and therefore Palestinian terrorism would likely not be happening as much. As it is, the situation worsens with time thanks to US interference. I'm not saying it will be an easy problem to solve, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that the situation would improve if the situation was dealt with more equitably.

Essentially, if there is anywhere in the world (other than the Koreas) that a UN peacekeeping force is needed, it's between Israel and Palestine.
Things will spiral soon enough and we'll see after a bankrupt empire brings its guns home what happens? I don't see it getting better. Things will either stay roughly the same or get a whole lot worse. :tup:
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri Feb 01, 2013 10:53 am

Israel will be toast, unless it starts making compromises and overtures of peace. Either that, or they have enough time left to develop a totally invincible military and they can continue to lord it over the region.
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Re: Rupert Murdoch apologises over Gerald Scarfe cartoon

Post by cronus » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:03 am

rEvolutionist wrote:Israel will be toast, unless it starts making compromises and overtures of peace. Either that, or they have enough time left to develop a totally invincible military and they can continue to lord it over the region.
The danger is toast everywhere and in all directions with that nuclear arsenal loaded persecution complex. It is a powder keg and there is no greater good if it blows up. :coffee:
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Re: Rupert Murdoch apologises over Gerald Scarfe cartoon

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Scrumple wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:I think while ever Israel oppresses them, the Palestinians will fight back whatever way they can.
It's the Middle East. Been like that, one way or anther, for sometime. It'll never change. :coffee:
That's what had been said about the Irish too. And the Germanic tribes were always warlike. And...
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Re: Rupert Murdoch apologises over Gerald Scarfe cartoon

Post by cronus » Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:40 am

Hermit wrote:
Scrumple wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:I think while ever Israel oppresses them, the Palestinians will fight back whatever way they can.
It's the Middle East. Been like that, one way or anther, for sometime. It'll never change. :coffee:
That's what had been said about the Irish too. And the Germanic tribes were always warlike. And...
Ireland went through a quiet patch during the boom years but it's simmering in the pot again now. I understand they are checking all vans in and out but especially out just like in the good old days....don't get me started on the Germans. :coffee:
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Re: Rupert Murdoch apologises over Gerald Scarfe cartoon

Post by Cormac » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:54 pm

Scrumple wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:Unless the US stops supporting Israeli terrorism.
Things will just go more chaotic without the US. The Russians sell arms and so do the Chinese, as well as the over-clocked Jewish brain itself. The US isn't necessary for the Middle East to continue being a bloodbath. It is highly visible right now but it isn't necessary at all.

Israel was created precisely to be a locus of divisive and violent politics - to create the divide through which external forces would be able to conquer and rule.

The same reason that minorities were put in dominant roles in the ramshackle states created out of the British Mandate.
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Re: Rupert Murdoch apologises over Gerald Scarfe cartoon

Post by Cormac » Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:57 pm

Scrumple wrote:
Hermit wrote:
Scrumple wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:I think while ever Israel oppresses them, the Palestinians will fight back whatever way they can.
It's the Middle East. Been like that, one way or anther, for sometime. It'll never change. :coffee:
That's what had been said about the Irish too. And the Germanic tribes were always warlike. And...
Ireland went through a quiet patch during the boom years but it's simmering in the pot again now. I understand they are checking all vans in and out but especially out just like in the good old days....don't get me started on the Germans. :coffee:

It is far from simmering in the pot again here.
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