Fuck 54 degrees in Aus....

[MiM]

Nuclear cars people.. they had them in the 50s.

.

[Strontium Dog]

It's raining here, I don't think we have had a dry day since September, so I'm afraid I don't have much sympathy for anyone anywhere else, I would swap your weather for ours in a heartbeat.

[Gerald McGrew]

I realize there was some level of warnings prior to the 1990's, but (at least in the US) it really didn't start becoming part of the national dialogue until then. I think from 1950-1990, most regular citizens can be forgiven for not realizing how serious of a situation we were putting ourselves in.

What distresses me the most is how similar to the evolution/creationism issue it's become. Climate change denialism has become a political identity and as such, it is extremely difficult to have a rational discussion with a denialist (just like it is with creationists).

So when I say "I've given up", I mean I'm done trying to convince most people of what's going on.

[macdoc]

Not the greatest idea tho there some concept of isotope perhaps.
this is the one with some reality

oshiba Builds 100x Smaller Micro Nuclear Reactor
Toshiba has developed a new class of micro size Nuclear Reactors that is designed to power individual apartment buildings or city blocks. The new reactor, which is only 20 feet by 6 feet, could change everything for small remote communities, small businesses or even a group of neighbors who are fed up with the power companies and want more control over their energy needs.

The 200 kilowatt Toshiba designed reactor is engineered to be fail-safe and totally automatic and will not overheat. Unlike traditional nuclear reactors the new micro reactor uses no control rods to initiate the reaction. The new revolutionary technology uses reservoirs of liquid lithium-6, an isotope that is effective at absorbing neutrons. The Lithium-6 reservoirs are connected to a vertical tube that fits into the reactor core. The whole whole process is self sustaining and can last for up to 40 years, producing electricity for only 5 cents per kilowatt hour, about half the cost of grid energy.

Toshiba expects to install the first reactor in Japan in 2008 and to begin marketing the new system in Europe and America in 2009.

get a neighborhood together and go off the grid for 30 years.

There is an awful lot of money to be made in this transition of fossil.

[Jason]

Not the greatest idea tho there some concept of isotope perhaps.
this is the one with some reality

oshiba Builds 100x Smaller Micro Nuclear Reactor
Toshiba has developed a new class of micro size Nuclear Reactors that is designed to power individual apartment buildings or city blocks. The new reactor, which is only 20 feet by 6 feet, could change everything for small remote communities, small businesses or even a group of neighbors who are fed up with the power companies and want more control over their energy needs.

The 200 kilowatt Toshiba designed reactor is engineered to be fail-safe and totally automatic and will not overheat. Unlike traditional nuclear reactors the new micro reactor uses no control rods to initiate the reaction. The new revolutionary technology uses reservoirs of liquid lithium-6, an isotope that is effective at absorbing neutrons. The Lithium-6 reservoirs are connected to a vertical tube that fits into the reactor core. The whole whole process is self sustaining and can last for up to 40 years, producing electricity for only 5 cents per kilowatt hour, about half the cost of grid energy.

Toshiba expects to install the first reactor in Japan in 2008 and to begin marketing the new system in Europe and America in 2009.

get a neighborhood together and go off the grid for 30 years.

There is an awful lot of money to be made in this transition of fossil.

That's actually pretty damned cool.

[macdoc]

Yeah it's part of the same anti-science nonsense and the IDs and anti - agw are closely assocated. I
ndeed very few were aware in the 80s including me other than a vague following in the science mags for some future I'd never see.
Then it was my kids future....then fuck it's like right now and possums are under my porch.
( possums were southern states critters if anyone recalls Pogo. )



Having one living under my porch in Canada was a bit of an eye popper.

and our swamp commentator got that one correct.

[Jason]

Nuclear cars people.. they had them in the 50s.

.

OK they had models.. but they did make a jet car.

[macdoc]

That's actually pretty damned cool.

Except for the fucktard anti-nuke idjits we might have closed most of the coal plants already ( we have in Ontario ).
and there would be more options in nuclear.

••••

If you mean flying jet cars no - but jet cars yes and flying cars yes

[Jason]

No, it was just a car powered by a jet engine. It definitely didn't fly in any sense.

[odysseus]

Jesus.... I used to like the idea of moving to Oz. But if scary animals weren't enough, it now gets hot enough to grow doughnuts. Yikes!

[MiM]

Don't believe everything you find on the web.

Company Correspondence

On Dec. 27, 2007, the following was received from Toshiba in response to an invitation to come on the Free Energy Now radio series:

Dear Mr. Allan,

Thank you for contacting Toshiba's Corporate Communications Office and for inviting us to your radio show interview program.

First of all, we came to know that there are a great number of references of "micro nuclear reactor" on google search, many of the which use Toshiba logo and 4S system image with unfamiliar name "micro nuclear", unfamiliar mark and unfamiliar information.

Toshiba have tried to trace where the confusing information comes from, but we have not been successful so far. (Actually, Toshiba is not the source of the information.)

There are some interesting designs for small and simple reactors out there, but they are all well beyond that size (~10 MW or more)

[macdoc]

Of course you could also find up to date information

Mini-nukes arrive at the regulatory gate. Will they get through?

Morgan Ryan
Galena, Alaska, could be the type specimen for remoteness. A tiny town of about 700 on a bend of the Yukon River, it has no roads in and depends on the river for food, fuel and supplies. The river is frozen eight to nine months of the year. Galena residents pay three times the national average per kilowatt hour for diesel-generated electricity. Alternative energy would have special appeal for Galena, but with an evening that stretches 20 hours in the winter, solar is out. With the help of Toshiba and its American holding, Westinghouse, Galena is thinking nuclear.

Will a swaggering nuclear policy in Galena be the next big headache for nearby Tanana and McGrath?

The key to Galena’s ambitions is the Toshiba 4S—the Super-Safe, Small and Simple reactor, a torpedo-shaped unit on the drawing board that surrounds a core about 2 meters long and 0.6 meters across. The entire unit, core and casing, is to be manufactured off-site by Toshiba, delivered to the customer, and then lowered into a cylindrical concrete vault 30 meters underground. Expected to run for 30 years with minimal operator intervention, the 4S is designed to pump out 10 megawatts of electric power, just 1 percent of the output of conventional nuclear power plants. When the nuclear fuel is exhausted after three decades, Toshiba will extract the 4S and take it away, presumably leaving behind a replacement (which for all we know will be the size of a beachball by then). Tony Grenci, principal engineer at Westinghouse and lead for the licensing process, reports that the remote-community application is likely to be the first use for the 4S, but that other roles will probably be more important overall, such as supplying power for mining, desalinization, oil-sands operations and remote research facilities.

Discussions about the Galena-Toshiba project began in 2005 and have been proceeding at regulatory speed—which is to say, slowly. Initially, Toshiba offered to install the unit for free as a pilot project, with Galena arranging to finance the operating costs and Toshiba leading the effort to acquire regulatory approval. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) is widely regarded as a government entity that does well what it is supposed to do. It offers consultation at the pre-design and pre-application stage, and imposes a notoriously arduous review of applications that seems to generate little complaint. Everyone understands how high the stakes are. Toshiba/Westinghouse initiated discussions with the NRC in 2007 and had its fourth pre-application meeting in late 2008. The current plan is to file for design approval in 2009. After that comes filing for a site permit, which takes into account environmental information specific to the operating site, and a Combined Construction and Operating License, allowing the plant to be built and fired up. Grenci is unwilling to project a date for first steam—original estimates of 2012 now seem implausible—“but we’re going great guns on this.”

more

http://www.americanscientist.org/issues ... -the-yukon

[macdoc]

Jesus.... I used to like the idea of moving to Oz. But if scary animals weren't enough, it now gets hot enough to grow doughnuts. Yikes!

Not were I am/go. The Pacific is a big regulator. and it's the hot season.

24°C | °F Wed Thu Fri Sat

Partly Cloudy
Wind: SE at 14 km/h
Humidity: 89% 33° 22° 34° 23° 33° 24° 33° 25°

and it's a bit cooler up on the tablelands where we have land in the rainforest for long term occupancy.

[MiM]

Of course you could also find up to date information

Mini-nukes arrive at the regulatory gate. Will they get through?

Morgan Ryan
Galena, Alaska, could be the type specimen for remoteness. A tiny town of about 700 on a bend of the Yukon River, it has no roads in and depends on the river for food, fuel and supplies. The river is frozen eight to nine months of the year. Galena residents pay three times the national average per kilowatt hour for diesel-generated electricity. Alternative energy would have special appeal for Galena, but with an evening that stretches 20 hours in the winter, solar is out. With the help of Toshiba and its American holding, Westinghouse, Galena is thinking nuclear.

Will a swaggering nuclear policy in Galena be the next big headache for nearby Tanana and McGrath?

The key to Galena’s ambitions is the Toshiba 4S—the Super-Safe, Small and Simple reactor, a torpedo-shaped unit on the drawing board that surrounds a core about 2 meters long and 0.6 meters across. The entire unit, core and casing, is to be manufactured off-site by Toshiba, delivered to the customer, and then lowered into a cylindrical concrete vault 30 meters underground. Expected to run for 30 years with minimal operator intervention, the 4S is designed to pump out 10 megawatts of electric power, just 1 percent of the output of conventional nuclear power plants. When the nuclear fuel is exhausted after three decades, Toshiba will extract the 4S and take it away, presumably leaving behind a replacement (which for all we know will be the size of a beachball by then). Tony Grenci, principal engineer at Westinghouse and lead for the licensing process, reports that the remote-community application is likely to be the first use for the 4S, but that other roles will probably be more important overall, such as supplying power for mining, desalinization, oil-sands operations and remote research facilities.

Discussions about the Galena-Toshiba project began in 2005 and have been proceeding at regulatory speed—which is to say, slowly. Initially, Toshiba offered to install the unit for free as a pilot project, with Galena arranging to finance the operating costs and Toshiba leading the effort to acquire regulatory approval. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) is widely regarded as a government entity that does well what it is supposed to do. It offers consultation at the pre-design and pre-application stage, and imposes a notoriously arduous review of applications that seems to generate little complaint. Everyone understands how high the stakes are. Toshiba/Westinghouse initiated discussions with the NRC in 2007 and had its fourth pre-application meeting in late 2008. The current plan is to file for design approval in 2009. After that comes filing for a site permit, which takes into account environmental information specific to the operating site, and a Combined Construction and Operating License, allowing the plant to be built and fired up. Grenci is unwilling to project a date for first steam—original estimates of 2012 now seem implausible—“but we’re going great guns on this.”

more

http://www.americanscientist.org/issues ... -the-yukon

Yeah, and that's talking about 10 MW, and that is interesting, just as I said . Your post was about 200 kW, and possibly car sized.

[Jason]

A 200KW car-sized nuke plant would be very interesting.