Argentina opens up second front in Falklands Kerfuffle

[pErvinalia]

Ok. You don't want to back up your nonsense.

[MrJonno]

[quote]Northern Ireland, and the sectarian tensions there are a hangover from the divide and conquer policy deployed by the British Government following the United Irishmen revolution in 1798. That revolution was led by Presbyterians and had as its motto "Catholic, Protestant, and Dissenter", meaning all Irishmen united. This was a serious threat to Britain, and it was resolved to never again allow such a united front to develop[/quote

Not sure how protestants or anyone else became a majority over 200 years ago is relevant to anything. Live for a few generations in a piece of land and become the majority it becomes yours.In the end of the day all nations are formed some variety of genocide

[Cormac]

Northern Ireland, and the sectarian tensions there are a hangover from the divide and conquer policy deployed by the British Government following the United Irishmen revolution in 1798. That revolution was led by Presbyterians and had as its motto "Catholic, Protestant, and Dissenter", meaning all Irishmen united. This was a serious threat to Britain, and it was resolved to never again allow such a united front to develop[/quote

Not sure how protestants or anyone else became a majority over 200 years ago is relevant to anything. Live for a few generations in a piece of land and become the majority it becomes yours.In the end of the day all nations are formed some variety of genocide

That isn't the point I was making. People think that the situation in Northern Ireland is first and foremost a religious conflict split along nationalist and unionist lines.

It is the latter, fundamentally. The religious split was artificially created. Yes, protestant "planters" were brought in to displace largely Catholic "natives". But it wasn't too long before even these latter day planters felt themselves Irish, had set aside sectarian attitudes and had launched a separatist revolution LEADING the nationalist independence movement. Such unity was threatening, and afterwards, the British government implemented a deliberate policy of fomenting and then nurturing sectarian disunity. What we see today is the result of that deliberate policy. It even became a tool of parliamentary chicanery to "play the orange card" - something that would not have been possible without the divide and conquer policy being put in place to prevent the rise of another United Irishmen movement.

/derail. Sorry everyone.

[MrJonno]

Take your word about Northern Ireland history, its not really a derail in so much after a certain amount of time it doesnt really matter how a people came to dominate a land mass. You cant' practically or fairly change it. Sure your great great grand daddy was a genocidal maniac or the government of 1732 manipulated the situation to get into thiat position but you can't punish people for what happened in ancient history

[JimC]

Given that the original settlers of the islands were British, and Britain has always had sovereignty over the islands, and that there were no indigenous people, and that the current inhabitants overwhelmingly wish to remain British, Argentina simply has no case.

[Strontium Dog]

After the Falklands war, it is a political impossibility for any British government wishing to be re-elected to supinely give sovereignty of the Falklands to Argentina.

I'm only surprised Gordon Brown didn't sell it.

[Jason]

Given that the original settlers of the islands were British, and Britain has always had sovereignty over the islands, and that there were no indigenous people, and that the current inhabitants overwhelmingly wish to remain British, Argentina simply has no case.

Geography? England isn't even on the same continental shelf.

[JimC]

Given that the original settlers of the islands were British, and Britain has always had sovereignty over the islands, and that there were no indigenous people, and that the current inhabitants overwhelmingly wish to remain British, Argentina simply has no case.

Geography? England isn't even on the same continental shelf.

Geography is not the only possible determinant. The people's origins, and (more importantly) their clearly expressed current wishes, trump geography.

Hawaii, anyone?

[Cormac]

Given that the original settlers of the islands were British, and Britain has always had sovereignty over the islands, and that there were no indigenous people, and that the current inhabitants overwhelmingly wish to remain British, Argentina simply has no case.

Geography? England isn't even on the same continental shelf.

This is not in any way a logical reason.

[Cormac]

Take your word about Northern Ireland history, its not really a derail in so much after a certain amount of time it doesnt really matter how a people came to dominate a land mass. You cant' practically or fairly change it. Sure your great great grand daddy was a genocidal maniac or the government of 1732 manipulated the situation to get into thiat position but you can't punish people for what happened in ancient history

And that was why I raised NI as an example.

The suggestion was made that the Falklanders should simply be moved to the UK and the land given to Argentina. I said, by way of illustration as to why this would not be right, that unionists in NI could be "repatriated".

Such "ethnic cleansing is morally repugnant to me.

[JimC]

DRAKE he's in his hammock an' a thousand mile away,
(Capten, art tha sleepin' there below?)
Slung atween the round shot in Nombre Dios Bay,
An' dreamin' arl the time o' Plymouth Hoe.
Yarnder lumes the island, yarnder lie the ships,
Wi' sailor lads a-dancin' heel-an'-toe,
An' the shore-lights flashin', an' the night-tide dashin'
He sees et arl so plainly as he saw et long ago.

Drake he was a Devon man, an' ruled the Devon seas,
(Capten, art tha sleepin' there below?),
Rovin' tho' his death fell, he went wi' heart at ease,
An' dreamin' arl the time o' Plymouth Hoe,
"Take my drum to England, hang et by the shore,
Strike et when your powder's runnin' low;
If the Dons sight Devon, I'll quit the port o' Heaven,
An' drum them up the Channel as we drummed them long ago."

Drake he's in his hammock till the great Armadas come,
(Capten, art tha sleepin' there below?),
Slung atween the round shot, listenin' for the drum,
An' dreamin' arl the time o' Plymouth Hoe.
Call him on the deep sea, call him up the Sound,
Call him when ye sail to meet the foe;
Where the old trade's plyin' an' the old flag flyin',
They shall find him, ware an' wakin', as they found him long ago.

Change Devon to the Falklands, and Drake to Maggie Thatcher, and we're in business!

[rainbow]

¡Viva la revolución del aerodeslizador lleno de anguilas en las Malvinas

Whatever that means ...

Is nonsense.
The fight over some god-forsaken place, is nonsense.

[Cormac]

¡Viva la revolución del aerodeslizador lleno de anguilas en las Malvinas

Whatever that means ...

Is nonsense.
The fight over some god-forsaken place, is nonsense.

It isn't godforsaken to the Falklanders...

[Svartalf]

Given that the original settlers of the islands were British, and Britain has always had sovereignty over the islands, and that there were no indigenous people, and that the current inhabitants overwhelmingly wish to remain British, Argentina simply has no case.

excuse me? the 'Original Settlers' of Ireland were Gaels, not Brithons... and Gaels seem to have come from Spain... Nobody I know of understands yet how Gaelic mutated into its own group from the more common Brythonic Celtic group, or if they are related like Latin and Greek, that is, not actually, but very similar through an apparent process of parallel evolution within the Indo European language framework.

[Svartalf]

Given that the original settlers of the islands were British, and Britain has always had sovereignty over the islands, and that there were no indigenous people, and that the current inhabitants overwhelmingly wish to remain British, Argentina simply has no case.

Geography? England isn't even on the same continental shelf.

Geography is not the only possible determinant. The people's origins, and (more importantly) their clearly expressed current wishes, trump geography.

Hawaii, anyone?

A LOT of native Hawai'ians would just be glad to be rid of the ha'oles.