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Re: Even Pravda agrees with me

Post by Bella Fortuna » Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:01 pm

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:She's kinda distracted right now. Domestic bliss and all that shit.
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Re: Even Pravda agrees with me

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:02 pm

He wasn't trained in the Dawk threads. :coffee:
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:09 pm

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Re: Even Pravda agrees with me

Post by klr » Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:36 pm

Rum wrote:A very 'credible' opening referring to the Russian people being 'free' under the Czars. More than half the population were serfs - a state indistinguishable from slavery. Land owners used guns to keep them in their place and were more or less free to shoot them if they stepped out of line.
Even when Alexander II emancipated the Serfs in 1861, pressure from the nobility made sure that many peasants remained far from "free".

Maybe Seth should read some reliable Russian history instead of self-serving populist/nationalist nonsense. Say what you like about the Communist-era Pravda, but it would never have printed that article. Indeed, the whole article would have been considered thoughtcrime - off to the Gulags or internal exile with you. So the argument that "even Pravda agrees ..." holds no water, because this is not the Pravda that most people remember. It's something else entirely.
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Re: Even Pravda agrees with me

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Jan 02, 2013 1:37 pm

Another Google-fishing expedition that ends in tears.
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Re: Even Pravda agrees with me

Post by Tyrannical » Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:02 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:What I find most funny about this blather from Seth et al, is that THEY are the modern "reds". They are the ones who talk about overthrowing the government. But they just happen to be "right" whereas all other revolutionaries are wrong. Lol.
The Menshaviks and Bolsheviks saw a corrupt system and wanted to change it to something better. People like Seeth see a system that is corrupt and don't want it changed.
The Menshaviks and Bolsheviks saw a corrupt system and wanted to run that corrupt system themselves. Like how Animal Farm turned out.
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Re: Even Pravda agrees with me

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:10 pm

Tyrannical wrote:
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rEvolutionist wrote:What I find most funny about this blather from Seth et al, is that THEY are the modern "reds". They are the ones who talk about overthrowing the government. But they just happen to be "right" whereas all other revolutionaries are wrong. Lol.
The Menshaviks and Bolsheviks saw a corrupt system and wanted to change it to something better. People like Seeth see a system that is corrupt and don't want it changed.
The Menshaviks and Bolsheviks saw a corrupt system and wanted to run that corrupt system themselves. Like how Animal Farm turned out.
That's certainly one take. Do you know the philosophical difference between the two groups without Googling?
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Re: Even Pravda agrees with me

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:22 pm

The Menscheviks were real mensches.

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Re: Even Pravda agrees with me

Post by Svartalf » Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:24 pm

I oughtta know the difference, but must admit I'm not sure
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Re: Even Pravda agrees with me

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:26 pm

Svartalf wrote:I oughtta know the difference, but must admit I'm not sure
The triumph of one group over the other was one of the most important events in the 20th century, IMHO.
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Re: Even Pravda agrees with me

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:27 pm

Svartalf wrote:I oughtta know the difference, but must admit I'm not sure
They were just a split among the commies back in the day. Philosophically -- The mensheviks were a bit more tolerant of liberal factions of the time.

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Re: Even Pravda agrees with me

Post by Tyrannical » Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:34 pm

Mensheviks were the less radical radical-revolutionaries.
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Re: Even Pravda agrees with me

Post by Drewish » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:18 pm

There's only one way to settle this: a fight! Alright, so when should we have the battle between gun owners and gun control advocates? :tea:
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Re: Even Pravda agrees with me

Post by Audley Strange » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:21 pm

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Re: Even Pravda agrees with me

Post by Seth » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:54 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:What I find most funny about this blather from Seth et al, is that THEY are the modern "reds". They are the ones who talk about overthrowing the government. But they just happen to be "right" whereas all other revolutionaries are wrong. Lol.
Actually, you're wrong. I don't talk about overthrowing the legitimate government of the United States. Never have, never will. I talk about RESTORING the legitimate government of the United States and preserving, protecting and defending the Constitution and the People against all enemies foreign AND domestic.

I discuss putting down tyrants, not overthrowing government. There's a difference. I'm in good company there.
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