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I agree. Some of the posts/accusations could quite easily be interpreted as slander if someone were to decide to challenge what is being said. At the very least the thread should be in a members only section.
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Set up our own mini version of Private Eye here? 
Might be a good idea both from the standpoint of keeping the forum safe, and from the standpoint of allowing a robust discussion of tactics that isn't going to be snooped upon. First principle of military security: the more time the enemy spends trying to find out what you're going to do, the less time the enemy has to try and stop you doing it.
EDIT: I think the entire "Wilder Web" area should be made guest and bot free anyway. Do we really want people full of butthurt with respect to their cyber-misdeeds being able to discover our discussions about this?

Might be a good idea both from the standpoint of keeping the forum safe, and from the standpoint of allowing a robust discussion of tactics that isn't going to be snooped upon. First principle of military security: the more time the enemy spends trying to find out what you're going to do, the less time the enemy has to try and stop you doing it.
EDIT: I think the entire "Wilder Web" area should be made guest and bot free anyway. Do we really want people full of butthurt with respect to their cyber-misdeeds being able to discover our discussions about this?
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You are suggesting group discussion about how to develop tactics. I for one want nothing to do with that and find this whole thing highly distasteful and smacking of malign revenge.
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As long as it's still on the forum somewhere. I like to keep up with the dramaz.. 

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I don't know the whole history of this business (specifically the LP and RD thing), but I agree with the part about developing an attack on so-and-so. Ratskep has a rule that bans this sort of thing (although, it might only apply to websites not people?), and I think that is a worthwhile rule for a forum.Rum wrote:You are suggesting group discussion about how to develop tactics. I for one want nothing to do with that and find this whole thing highly distasteful and smacking of malign revenge.
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You obviously didn't read my post above. The point I was making therein, is that we have to prepare for a post-Dawkins world, one in which he is no longer around, and in which those of us who support a reality based world view will have to deal with a motivated, duplicitous opposition backed by money and political connections. It's this that I'm referring to when I speak of tactical discussions, not any sad Internet pranks.Rum wrote:You are suggesting group discussion about how to develop tactics. I for one want nothing to do with that and find this whole thing highly distasteful and smacking of malign revenge.
Moreover, we have to be prepared for the possibility of that same motivated and duplicitous opposition milking the forthcoming Dawkins Greek tragedy for all it's worth. Are you seriously suggesting we should do nothing here? Or that countering the lies that will inevitably stream forth in industrial quantities from the hardcore faith-heads, as I stated in that post above, is a bad idea?
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Yes. I'm not sure if there is even such a thing, legally, as conspiracy by forum (probably not..yet) but it could certainly look like that's what it was it if there was the appearance of a planned 'attack'.rEvolutionist wrote:I don't know the whole history of this business (specifically the LP and RD thing), but I agree with the part about developing an attack on so-and-so. Ratskep has a rule that bans this sort of thing (although, it might only apply to websites not people?), and I think that is a worthwhile rule for a forum.Rum wrote:You are suggesting group discussion about how to develop tactics. I for one want nothing to do with that and find this whole thing highly distasteful and smacking of malign revenge.
Mods should perhaps at least be discussing the issue.
Reporting my own post to highlight the issue.
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I've reported all your other posts. I demand that you be banned!Rum wrote:Yes. I'm not sure if there is even such a thing, legally, as conspiracy by forum (probably not..yet) but it could certainly look like that's what it was it if there was the appearance of a planned 'attack'.rEvolutionist wrote:I don't know the whole history of this business (specifically the LP and RD thing), but I agree with the part about developing an attack on so-and-so. Ratskep has a rule that bans this sort of thing (although, it might only apply to websites not people?), and I think that is a worthwhile rule for a forum.Rum wrote:You are suggesting group discussion about how to develop tactics. I for one want nothing to do with that and find this whole thing highly distasteful and smacking of malign revenge.
Mods should perhaps at least be discussing the issue.
Reporting my own post to highlight the issue.
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You may wish to edit your post in that case. It comes over as a response and in support of Heather's campaign against RD.Calilasseia wrote:You obviously didn't read my post above. The point I was making therein, is that we have to prepare for a post-Dawkins world, one in which he is no longer around, and in which those of us who support a reality based world view will have to deal with a motivated, duplicitous opposition backed by money and political connections. It's this that I'm referring to when I speak of tactical discussions, not any sad Internet pranks.Rum wrote:You are suggesting group discussion about how to develop tactics. I for one want nothing to do with that and find this whole thing highly distasteful and smacking of malign revenge.
Moreover, we have to be prepared for the possibility of that same motivated and duplicitous opposition milking the forthcoming Dawkins Greek tragedy for all it's worth. Are you seriously suggesting we should do nothing here? Or that countering the lies that will inevitably stream forth in industrial quantities from the hardcore faith-heads, as I stated in that post above, is a bad idea?
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I think you are right to plan for this. Let's get it moved to the non-public section so that the creotards et al can't see it as easily.Calilasseia wrote:You obviously didn't read my post above. The point I was making therein, is that we have to prepare for a post-Dawkins world, one in which he is no longer around, and in which those of us who support a reality based world view will have to deal with a motivated, duplicitous opposition backed by money and political connections. It's this that I'm referring to when I speak of tactical discussions, not any sad Internet pranks.Rum wrote:You are suggesting group discussion about how to develop tactics. I for one want nothing to do with that and find this whole thing highly distasteful and smacking of malign revenge.
Moreover, we have to be prepared for the possibility of that same motivated and duplicitous opposition milking the forthcoming Dawkins Greek tragedy for all it's worth. Are you seriously suggesting we should do nothing here? Or that countering the lies that will inevitably stream forth in industrial quantities from the hardcore faith-heads, as I stated in that post above, is a bad idea?
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I think this thread should be moved somewhere more private.
Rum, is it better that these alleged misdemeanours are investigated by the supernaturalist "stormtroopers", or by the very community that is preaching "good without god"?
Rum, is it better that these alleged misdemeanours are investigated by the supernaturalist "stormtroopers", or by the very community that is preaching "good without god"?
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Are you seriously suggesting that Rationalia is the place where such an atheist counterstrike will emerge from? When it comes to high-profile "spokespersons" it will almost always be people who are already respected in other fields, and have reputations and skill-sets beyond talking about no gods, who become them - for good or ill. We've seen what happens when a bunch of internet nobodies attempt to shoehorn themselves into high-profile positions - they called it "A Plus". Rationalia is a bunch of friends and foes who only occasionally get drawn into the wider "atheist movement" - it doesn't seem like we're the types to foment revolution.Calilasseia wrote:The point I was making therein, is that we have to prepare for a post-Dawkins world, one in which he is no longer around, and in which those of us who support a reality based world view will have to deal with a motivated, duplicitous opposition backed by money and political connections. It's this that I'm referring to when I speak of tactical discussions, not any sad Internet pranks.
Moreover, we have to be prepared for the possibility of that same motivated and duplicitous opposition milking the forthcoming Dawkins Greek tragedy for all it's worth. Are you seriously suggesting we should do nothing here?
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How? Did I once suggest that any of us should take action against RD? I don't recall doing so. All my suggestions centred upon preventive action aimed at limiting the damage when Dawkins' enemies start engaging in mischief. I fail to see how that can be read as supporting action against RD himself.Rum wrote:You may wish to edit your post in that case. It comes over as a response and in support of Heather's campaign against RD.Calilasseia wrote:You obviously didn't read my post above. The point I was making therein, is that we have to prepare for a post-Dawkins world, one in which he is no longer around, and in which those of us who support a reality based world view will have to deal with a motivated, duplicitous opposition backed by money and political connections. It's this that I'm referring to when I speak of tactical discussions, not any sad Internet pranks.Rum wrote:You are suggesting group discussion about how to develop tactics. I for one want nothing to do with that and find this whole thing highly distasteful and smacking of malign revenge.
Moreover, we have to be prepared for the possibility of that same motivated and duplicitous opposition milking the forthcoming Dawkins Greek tragedy for all it's worth. Are you seriously suggesting we should do nothing here? Or that countering the lies that will inevitably stream forth in industrial quantities from the hardcore faith-heads, as I stated in that post above, is a bad idea?
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Once again, I find it rather amusing to see this sort of hyperbolic response to my post. Did I actually call for people here at Rationalia specifically to man the barricades? Er, no. Though if any here want to, I see no reason to get in their way if they possess the relevant skills.Thinking Aloud wrote:Are you seriously suggesting that Rationalia is the place where such an atheist counterstrike will emerge from? When it comes to high-profile "spokespersons" it will almost always be people who are already respected in other fields, and have reputations and skill-sets beyond talking about no gods, who become them - for good or ill. We've seen what happens when a bunch of internet nobodies attempt to shoehorn themselves into high-profile positions - they called it "A Plus". Rationalia is a bunch of friends and foes who only occasionally get drawn into the wider "atheist movement" - it doesn't seem like we're the types to foment revolution.Calilasseia wrote:The point I was making therein, is that we have to prepare for a post-Dawkins world, one in which he is no longer around, and in which those of us who support a reality based world view will have to deal with a motivated, duplicitous opposition backed by money and political connections. It's this that I'm referring to when I speak of tactical discussions, not any sad Internet pranks.
Moreover, we have to be prepared for the possibility of that same motivated and duplicitous opposition milking the forthcoming Dawkins Greek tragedy for all it's worth. Are you seriously suggesting we should do nothing here?
As for A+, I've made my stance on that débacle known previously, namely, that the people responsible were doomed to failure because they were trying to set up another ideology, and tie atheism to it, when atheism, viewed rigorously, is anti-ideology.
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It's not unreasonable to assume that when you post "we" here that you meant "Rationalia." 

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