Sacrificing children for the Second amendment

[Seth]

How do you know, Rum, that there were not 20 gun owners on the same day that saved their own child from rapists and killers, with a gun? If they did not kill the rapist, it would not make the news.

If it were true, the NRA would be trumpeting such statistics from the rooftops.

Er, they do. Every day on their "Armed Citizen" website, and in their monthly magazine.

Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Printing it in their own monthly magazine is rather preaching to the choir. That's not shouting it from the rooftops. The very fact that I haven't heard it indicates this. What I meant was this: they would shout those statistics in rebuttal to the claims of anti-gun people. They would do so in those arguments, and in the mass media.

Haven't seen that. Maybe they don't have enough confidence in their own statistics?

If you haven't seen it, it's because you've been willfully avoiding it...or the MSM has.

The data is there if you care to examine it.

[orpheus]

How do you know, Rum, that there were not 20 gun owners on the same day that saved their own child from rapists and killers, with a gun? If they did not kill the rapist, it would not make the news.

If it were true, the NRA would be trumpeting such statistics from the rooftops.

Er, they do. Every day on their "Armed Citizen" website, and in their monthly magazine.

Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Printing it in their own monthly magazine is rather preaching to the choir. That's not shouting it from the rooftops. The very fact that I haven't heard it indicates this. What I meant was this: they would shout those statistics in rebuttal to the claims of anti-gun people. They would do so in those arguments, and in the mass media.

Haven't seen that. Maybe they don't have enough confidence in their own statistics?

If you haven't seen it, it's because you've been willfully avoiding it...or the MSM has.

The data is there if you care to examine it.

The MSM has? Really? I don't believe you, but if you're right, why do you think they've "willfully" avoided it?

And all the MSM - Fox News, for example? Why would they avoid it?

[Wumbologist]

Maybe they don't have enough confidence in their own statistics?

Those statistics are deeply flawed.
I have already shown Seth a contrary study. What it boils down to now, is one academic saying one thing and others saying the opposite. Seth will, however, always pretend that the academic who claims what Seth wants to be true, is somehow presenting a divine truth.

Conversely, you will always pretend the skies opened up and the study saying the opposite descended from the heavens for you to reference....

[mozg]

The MSM has? Really? I don't believe you, but if you're right, why do you think they've "willfully" avoided it?

And all the MSM - Fox News, for example? Why would they avoid it?

When the incident at the Appalachian School of Law took place in 2003, most of the media coverage said that Peter Odighizuwa was convinced to drop his gun and subdued, although what the media didn't mention was that it took people with guns to do that convincing.

While many on your side of the argument will point to this as an indication that because the two armed students who did the convincing were off-duty police, both of them did so while off-duty, outside their jurisdiction and with their firearms, which they had to retrieve from their cars. The two of them approached, guns drawn, and ordered Odighizuwa to drop his gun. After he did, a third student (unarmed), wrestled him to the ground.

According to the Washington Post, however, it's a very different story, not involving the good guys having guns:
‘Three students pounced on the gunman and held him until help arrived.'

CBS News also doesn't mention the defensive use of firearms:
'Three people were killed … before students tackled the suspect.’

And the NBC News was no different when they said the students:
‘overpowered the gunman and held him until police could arrive.’

Major national news media didn't mention that the students who forced Odighizuwa to drop his gun and surrender were armed with their own guns.

Why would the national news media not make any mention of the fact that the perpetrator was stopped not by unarmed students tackling him bravely, but by armed students ordering him to drop his weapon? I don't know why, but it damn sure is what they did.

[Tyrannical]

Strict gun laws have done nothing for Detroit, Chicago, and D.C. because guns are not the problem. A criminal population, and to a lesser extent violent mentally ill people roaming free is the problem. If we had the death penalty for armed robbery without a twenty year appeal process gun crime would plummet.

[mozg]

Strict gun laws have done nothing for Detroit, Chicago, and D.C. because guns are not the problem. A criminal population, and to a lesser extent violent mentally ill people roaming free is the problem. If we had the death penalty for armed robbery without a twenty year appeal process gun crime would plummet.

There's a lot of violent crime surrounding the trade in illegal drugs, and this is nothing more than a repeat of all the violent crime that once surrounded the trade in illegal alcohol.

We need to end prohibition.

[aspire1670]

Strict gun laws have done nothing for Detroit, Chicago, and D.C. because guns are not the problem. A criminal population, and to a lesser extent violent mentally ill people roaming free is the problem. If we had the death penalty for armed robbery without a twenty year appeal process gun crime would plummet.

LOL at the logic fail. If guns are not the problem why is armed robbery a crime? Mind you, mentaly ill people roaming free in your house should be a cause for concern.

[Svartalf]

Strict gun laws have done nothing for Detroit, Chicago, and D.C. because guns are not the problem. A criminal population, and to a lesser extent violent mentally ill people roaming free is the problem. If we had the death penalty for armed robbery without a twenty year appeal process gun crime would plummet.

Sure did a whole lot of good in Dick Turpin's days...

[orpheus]

The MSM has? Really? I don't believe you, but if you're right, why do you think they've "willfully" avoided it?

And all the MSM - Fox News, for example? Why would they avoid it?

When the incident at the Appalachian School of Law took place in 2003, most of the media coverage said that Peter Odighizuwa was convinced to drop his gun and subdued, although what the media didn't mention was that it took people with guns to do that convincing.

While many on your side of the argument will point to this as an indication that because the two armed students who did the convincing were off-duty police, both of them did so while off-duty, outside their jurisdiction and with their firearms, which they had to retrieve from their cars. The two of them approached, guns drawn, and ordered Odighizuwa to drop his gun. After he did, a third student (unarmed), wrestled him to the ground.

According to the Washington Post, however, it's a very different story, not involving the good guys having guns:
‘Three students pounced on the gunman and held him until help arrived.'

CBS News also doesn't mention the defensive use of firearms:
'Three people were killed … before students tackled the suspect.’

And the NBC News was no different when they said the students:
‘overpowered the gunman and held him until police could arrive.’

Major national news media didn't mention that the students who forced Odighizuwa to drop his gun and surrender were armed with their own guns.

Why would the national news media not make any mention of the fact that the perpetrator was stopped not by unarmed students tackling him bravely, but by armed students ordering him to drop his weapon? I don't know why, but it damn sure is what they did.

One incident. Yet Seth claimed that the NRA has statistics of such events, "every day on their "Armed Citizen" website, and in their monthly magazine."

[mozg]

One incident. Yet Seth claimed that the NRA has statistics of such events, "every day on their "Armed Citizen" website, and in their monthly magazine."

It just happens to be a particularly well documented example.

So, why did the national news media leave out that the students who stopped the attacker did so with their own firearms?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Do we really need a constitutional amendment to do this?

[Jason]

Depends on what you want to do, but it seems that an amendment to the 2nd amendment is required for any meaningful change to be enacted. Abolishing it entirely would be best.

[Blind groper]

How is it, Faku, that you argue bitterly against me most of the time, but we totally agree on abolishing the second amendment?

[Jason]

Adversarial process perhaps. We disagree on several points.

[FBM]

The MSM has? Really? I don't believe you, but if you're right, why do you think they've "willfully" avoided it?

And all the MSM - Fox News, for example? Why would they avoid it?

When the incident at the Appalachian School of Law took place in 2003, most of the media coverage said that Peter Odighizuwa was convinced to drop his gun and subdued, although what the media didn't mention was that it took people with guns to do that convincing.

While many on your side of the argument will point to this as an indication that because the two armed students who did the convincing were off-duty police, both of them did so while off-duty, outside their jurisdiction and with their firearms, which they had to retrieve from their cars. The two of them approached, guns drawn, and ordered Odighizuwa to drop his gun. After he did, a third student (unarmed), wrestled him to the ground.

According to the Washington Post, however, it's a very different story, not involving the good guys having guns:
‘Three students pounced on the gunman and held him until help arrived.'

CBS News also doesn't mention the defensive use of firearms:
'Three people were killed … before students tackled the suspect.’

And the NBC News was no different when they said the students:
‘overpowered the gunman and held him until police could arrive.’

Major national news media didn't mention that the students who forced Odighizuwa to drop his gun and surrender were armed with their own guns.

Why would the national news media not make any mention of the fact that the perpetrator was stopped not by unarmed students tackling him bravely, but by armed students ordering him to drop his weapon? I don't know why, but it damn sure is what they did.

Well, no shit. I'll be damned. I hadn't heard of that one.