Connecticut (et al)

[aspire1670]

secure school grounds with fences

Are these fences to be 12 feet tall, extend 6 feet below ground, be topped with razor wire, and electrified with 20,000 volts? Should guard towers be placed at every entrance point, manned by armed and trained marksmen as well as towers every 200 feet around the perimeter?

If that's what it takes, then yes. I suspect that a much lower level of unobtrusive security will do the job. As I said, secure schoolgrounds, video cameras to detect intrusions from outside, armored entryways, armored classrooms, automatic lockdowns, automatic partitioning and armed personnel on site at all times students are present will have the best chance of foiling such attacks.

Is it going to be 100 percent effective? Of course not, nothing is, but it's better than anything anybody else has suggested.

The honeyed words of the subverter of the inalienable rights of the American citizen to protect his own.
First he wants every word and movement of your children to be monitored and controlled under the guise of protecting them. Next he will suggest to extend that state sponsored protection and surveillance into every American home. You have been warned.

[amused]

[Tyrannical]

The anti-gun nuts always ignore the obvious, that the killer was insane. You can not restrict peoples rights because of what insane people might do. Laws must be geared towards normal people, and the insane must be segregated from society.

[Ian]

Much easier said than done. Keeping them from having access to firearms, though, is a bit easier than that.

And how many of us are seriously talking about restricting peoples' rights? I'd like to see 100% background checks and a ban on assault weapons, among some other minor changes. That's hardly much of a restriction on peoples rights. And for those who whine that it is, fuck them with a shotgun.

[Blind groper]

Tyrannical

That means an awful lot of Americans are insane. 100,000 Americans every year are wounded or killed with a bullet. That is a lot of insane people. American doctors make wonderful military medics, because they have had so much practice treating bullet wounds.

The solution is not more guns. The best way of managing the problem is less guns. A lot less.

[aspire1670]

The anti-gun nuts always ignore the obvious, that the killer was insane. You can not restrict peoples rights because of what insane people might do. Laws must be geared towards normal people, and the insane must be segregated from society.

LOLWUT

Shorter Tyrannical "I am not insane therefore we must use the law to control the lives of normal people."

[FBM]

Much easier said than done. Keeping them from having access to firearms, though, is a bit easier than that.

And how many of us are seriously talking about restricting peoples' rights? I'd like to see 100% background checks and a ban on assault weapons, among some other minor changes. That's hardly much of a restriction on peoples rights. And for those who whine that it is, fuck them with a shotgun.

[FBM]

In English please?

You're asking a lot there. Hope you're not holding your breath.

[Seth]

Seth - let's say the public actually thought your ideas were rational (well, maybe as many as 13% do, though I think the real number is half that at best) and that's exactly the course American society took: armed guards everywhere you look, nearly everyone packing a sidearm, i.e genuine ubiquity of firearms. Ignoring for now the ludicrous opinion that this would make things safer, is that really the vision of America you want to see? Do you really feel such a society would be worthy of the term Civilization?

Yup. An armed society is a polite society. It's also a safe and peaceful society. Criminality reigns when governments make helpless victims of their citizens.

[Robert_S]

Seth - let's say the public actually thought your ideas were rational (well, maybe as many as 13% do, though I think the real number is half that at best) and that's exactly the course American society took: armed guards everywhere you look, nearly everyone packing a sidearm, i.e genuine ubiquity of firearms. Ignoring for now the ludicrous opinion that this would make things safer, is that really the vision of America you want to see? Do you really feel such a society would be worthy of the term Civilization?

Yup. An armed society is a polite society. It's also a safe and peaceful society. Criminality reigns when governments make helpless victims of their citizens.

If the government had disarmed the Hatfields and McCoys, there wouldn't have been that feud!

But on the other hand, if they hadn't busted up the Black Panthers, there would have been no Bloods and Crips.

It ain't as simple.

[Blind groper]

Yup. An armed society is a polite society. It's also a safe and peaceful society. Criminality reigns when governments make helpless victims of their citizens.

And once more my bullshit alarm goes off.

The USA has more guns per person than any other nation on Earth. By your reasoning, it should be the most peaceful and safe society. Yet, of the 24 richest nations, it has 80% of the gun homicides of all of them put together. It has twice the per capita murder rate of the next worst, and four times the murder rate of the rest.

Yeah, right. A polite society. In reality, it is a violent and murderous society, and the guns are the reason.

[aspire1670]

Seth - let's say the public actually thought your ideas were rational (well, maybe as many as 13% do, though I think the real number is half that at best) and that's exactly the course American society took: armed guards everywhere you look, nearly everyone packing a sidearm, i.e genuine ubiquity of firearms. Ignoring for now the ludicrous opinion that this would make things safer, is that really the vision of America you want to see? Do you really feel such a society would be worthy of the term Civilization?

Yup. An armed society is a polite society. It's also a safe and peaceful society. Criminality reigns when governments make helpless victims of their citizens.

Seth's dreaming of an armed Christmas
Just like the ones he used to know
Where the blood glistens and children listen
To hear the gun fire in the snow.

[Rum]

Seth - let's say the public actually thought your ideas were rational (well, maybe as many as 13% do, though I think the real number is half that at best) and that's exactly the course American society took: armed guards everywhere you look, nearly everyone packing a sidearm, i.e genuine ubiquity of firearms. Ignoring for now the ludicrous opinion that this would make things safer, is that really the vision of America you want to see? Do you really feel such a society would be worthy of the term Civilization?

Yup. An armed society is a polite society. It's also a safe and peaceful society. Criminality reigns when governments make helpless victims of their citizens.

[MrJonno]

Yup. An armed society is a polite society

Then long live rudeness

[rainbow]

Seth - let's say the public actually thought your ideas were rational (well, maybe as many as 13% do, though I think the real number is half that at best) and that's exactly the course American society took: armed guards everywhere you look, nearly everyone packing a sidearm, i.e genuine ubiquity of firearms. Ignoring for now the ludicrous opinion that this would make things safer, is that really the vision of America you want to see? Do you really feel such a society would be worthy of the term Civilization?

Yup. An armed society is a polite society. It's also a safe and peaceful society. Criminality reigns when governments make helpless victims of their citizens.

The problem is that some people actually believe this drivel.
The very people that should never be allowed to own a gun.