Rum wrote:It often strikes me that in reality Europe has at least as much freedom and liberty as the USA does. You can go where you want, do and say what you want more or less as you can in America. But arguably we are more tolerant and even more open in some respects. We have socialist governments alongside pretty far right ones (who have the upper hand at the moment arguably), communist ministers and/or elected officials here and there, a sprinkling of fascists here and there and we can even put up with elected officials who are openly opposed to the prevailing governance of our system. Teachers and professors have all sorts of positions, liberal, right wing, egalitarian and downright Marxist.
We seem to have managed more or less OK up til now.
I sometimes wonder if we just aren't as scared, here in Europe. Fear of commies, fear of failure, fear of not being "exceptional". Our reaction to such things seem different.
Rum wrote:It often strikes me that in reality Europe has at least as much freedom and liberty as the USA does. You can go where you want, do and say what you want more or less as you can in America. But arguably we are more tolerant and even more open in some respects. We have socialist governments alongside pretty far right ones (who have the upper hand at the moment arguably), communist ministers and/or elected officials here and there, a sprinkling of fascists here and there and we can even put up with elected officials who are openly opposed to the prevailing governance of our system. Teachers and professors have all sorts of positions, liberal, right wing, egalitarian and downright Marxist.
We seem to have managed more or less OK up til now.
I sometimes wonder if we just aren't as scared, here in Europe. Fear of commies, fear of failure, fear of not being "exceptional". Our reaction to such things seem different.
*shrugs*
Fear stemming from a gullible populace who'll believe any shit on the radio from martians landing to commies taking over Hollywood. It'll take a long time for the US to develop the necessary cynicism to civilize themselves.
What will the world be like after its ruler is removed?
Our belief in things tends to be a mile wide and an inch deep. There are a few exceptions, but they often self-deselect.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
-Mr P
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The problem is that the WU, were idiot child extremists. So to take what they say seriously, would be like listening to Glenn Beck's insane blather and consider him as a spokesman for everyone who is remotely a supporter of the free market.
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Rum wrote:You guys need a few wishy washy left wing liberal types to make up for and balance out the rock eating, child killer right wing gun fascists. People like Seth for example.
Fuck you Rum.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
rEvolutionist wrote:Seth talks about treason against the government all the time.
Fuck you too, Rev. I never talk treason against the legitimate government of the United States, which operates under the authority of the Constitution and respects the rights of the people and it's own limitations on the exercise of power.
I do, however, fully support the killing of tyrants.
And I don't know if they were a terrorist group, necessarily. Their primary aim wasn't to terrorise the citizenry. It was to overthrow the government, wasn't it?
Using terror tactics. That makes him a terrorist.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
Well then you'd agree with me that the US military, followed by the Israeli military, is the biggest terrorist organisation in the world.
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rEvolutionist wrote:Well then you'd agree with me that the US military, followed by the Israeli military, is the biggest terrorist organisation in the world.
Depends on whether they are fighting for individual liberty and freedom or to support a despot and the enslavement of the people. The former is patriotism, the latter is terrorism.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
rEvolutionist wrote:Well then you'd agree with me that the US military, followed by the Israeli military, is the biggest terrorist organisation in the world.
Depends on whether they are fighting for individual liberty and freedom or to support a despot and the enslavement of the people. The former is patriotism, the latter is terrorism.
Which makes you a terrorist by your own definition, Seth. You're the one who advocates that state appointed and controlled armed cohorts should guard your school children thereby enslaving the citizen patriot by subverting their inalienable right to self defence. Your stalinist agenda has been exposed for all to see. Shame on you.
All rights have to be voted on. That's how they become rights.
Outside the ordered universe is that amorphous blight of nethermost confusion which blasphemes and bubbles at the center of all infinity—the boundless daemon sultan Azathoth, whose name no lips dare speak aloud, and who gnaws hungrily in inconceivable, unlighted chambers beyond time and space amidst the muffled, maddening beating of vile drums and the thin monotonous whine of accursed flutes.
Seth wrote:
The lumpen proletariat elected Barack Obama twice, didn't they? That's proof absolute.
Interesting theory...
Let's see... Voters with less than a high school diploma voted almost 2-1 for Obama, but they made up only 3% of the electorate. Take every one of those Obama votes away and he still would've won.
21% of voters had only a high school diploma, and they voted 51-48 for Obama. About the same as the overall electorate.
18% of voters had a graduate degree or higher, and they voted 56-42 for Obama. A 14-point landslide.
Proof absolute that you live in your own little fantasy world.
Obama didn't win the 2008 election. McCain lost it with some help from Palin and W.
Then the Republican Party lost it again by nominating a guy with 4X the slimy but only 1/4 th slick and smart of Bill Clinton.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
-Mr P
The Net is best considered analogous to communication with disincarnate intelligences. As any neophyte would tell you. Do not invoke that which you have no facility to banish.
Audley Strange
Ian wrote:Yeah, but cut Romney some slack. Consider who his primary opponents were. He was clearly the best of the worst.
He may well have had some integrity at some time.
What I've found with a few discussions I've had lately is this self-satisfaction that people express with their proffessed open mindedness. In realty it ammounts to wilful ignorance and intellectual cowardice as they are choosing to not form any sort of opinion on a particular topic. Basically "I don't know and I'm not going to look at any evidence because I'm quite happy on this fence."
-Mr P
The Net is best considered analogous to communication with disincarnate intelligences. As any neophyte would tell you. Do not invoke that which you have no facility to banish.
Audley Strange
