FIFYSeth wrote:Man, I've really have gorged on the NRA ideology Kool-Aid. What a sorry example I set for humanity.MrJonno wrote:I'm sensible enough to realise that if someone really wants me dead they will succeed, all you can do is try and build a society where this is less likely, olittle over the top, IMO...
I agree that a well-regulated society should have police etc. as a main agency to deter violence by citizen on citizen, but they are not always going to be around. Even if the techniques one learns mainly involve defusing violence, there may come a time where some basic self-defence skills are pretty vital. Some martial arts schools get too macho, and go way over the top, sure, and you know I'm not a fan of citizens owning pistols for self-defence, but I think you have perhaps confirmed for Seth and others some sort of stereotype of the ultimate defenceless liberal...
I didnt say martial arts should be banned I said they shouldnt be promoted as self defence, if you think you are more capable of doing well in a fight you are more likely to get involved in one.
I am indeed having a go at Seth's basic ideology of the self reliant, master of their own desinty bullshit. We are cogs in a machine, in a decent society you have a choice of which cog you are but you can't do more than a few well. The electrian does the electrics, plumber does the plumbing, police doing the beating up of criminals I work with computer systems and pay people to do these roles
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Re: Restricting constitutional feeedoms.
All rights have to be voted on. That's how they become rights.
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Re: Restricting constitutional feeedoms.
I'm looking for some hint of irony, hyperbole, sarcasm, parody, humor...anything, but I'll be damned if I don't think you're serious about that.MrJonno wrote: ... my attitude no one should be allowed to prepare for self defence whether its with a gun, knife or karate
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Re: Restricting constitutional feeedoms.
Sadly, he's completely serious.FBM wrote:I'm looking for some hint of irony, hyperbole, sarcasm, parody, humor...anything, but I'll be damned if I don't think you're serious about that.MrJonno wrote: ... my attitude no one should be allowed to prepare for self defence whether its with a gun, knife or karate
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Re: Restricting constitutional feeedoms.
It's just...stunning.
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"We ain't a sharp species. We kill each other over arguments about what happens when you die, then fail to see the fucking irony in that."
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Re: Restricting constitutional feeedoms.
No, it's pathetic.FBM wrote:It's just...stunning.
"Seth is Grandmaster Zen Troll who trains his victims to troll themselves every time they think of him" Robert_S
"All that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke
"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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"Those who support denying anyone the right to keep and bear arms for personal defense are fully complicit in every crime that might have been prevented had the victim been effectively armed." Seth
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Re: Restricting constitutional feeedoms.
Yeah. I think by definition Jonno must be saying something pretty stupid if it gets the likes of me and seth to agree on something. :p
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Let's see. "Fight or flight." Both of which are self-defense. I guess that makes running self-defense. So it's immoral to develop one's running skills. Shit. I hope the cops don't catch me with a treadmill in my living room. 
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Apparently you are immoral if you don't just lay over and die if someone attacks you. I'm really not sure how someone can come to think like that.
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Re: Restricting constitutional feeedoms.
Not sure how our - or any other - species could have made it this far with that policy."A philosopher is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there. A theologian is the man who finds it." ~ H. L. Mencken
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Re: Restricting constitutional feeedoms.
rEvolutionist wrote:Yeah. I think by definition Jonno must be saying something pretty stupid if it gets the likes of me and seth to agree on something. :p
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Re: Restricting constitutional feeedoms.
No promotion of the concept of 'self defence' bar avoiding dodgy situations in the first place.
You can't ban fists but you can ban anyone trying to advertise promoting using them to hit anyone outside a sports event.
If someone genuinely and extremely rarely needs to defend themselves then its legal up to a certain extent but no one should be encouraging someone to go around in a state of prepardness to do so.
Comes from the basis of any sensisble society the state monopoly on violence, prviate citizens can use violence in very limited cases but only because the state permits you to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence
You can't ban fists but you can ban anyone trying to advertise promoting using them to hit anyone outside a sports event.
If someone genuinely and extremely rarely needs to defend themselves then its legal up to a certain extent but no one should be encouraging someone to go around in a state of prepardness to do so.
Comes from the basis of any sensisble society the state monopoly on violence, prviate citizens can use violence in very limited cases but only because the state permits you to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly_on_violence
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Re: Restricting constitutional feeedoms.
you seem to be having difficulty distinguishing defence from attack.
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Re: Restricting constitutional feeedoms.
I have a problem with being prepared for self defence actually reducing the chances of your getting hurt.rEvolutionist wrote:you seem to be having difficulty distinguishing defence from attack.
It's actually as similar problem to fire extinguishers, do they actually in domestic situations save lives?. You might think its an obvious one but does it encourage amateurs to try and fight fires instead of getting out and bringing in professionals
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Holy shit. I'll bet I could beat up Mike Tyson and I've never taken a single boxing lesson in my life! 
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Re: Restricting constitutional feeedoms.
FBM wrote:Holy shit. I'll bet I could beat up Mike Tyson and I've never taken a single boxing lesson in my life!
I could take him out, you just smake him over the back of the head when he isnt looking, pretty much how you mug anyone
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