Connecticut (et al)

[Jason]

I do not wish to begin an incendiary debate about Seth The Grandmaster Zen Troll's jibes. However, Seth has recently made a few statements that I find disturbing to such a degree that I cannot remain silent. Read on, gentle reader, and hear what I have to say. It's untoward for Seth to trade fundamental human rights for a cheap "guarantee" of safety and security. Or perhaps I should say, it's mumpish.

Is there a way to counter Seth's meretricious rejoinders? Oh yes, there is a way. It's really quite simple and can be done by any individual. It doesn't cost a thing, monetarily. It requires only time, diligence, and a desire to love the Earth and everything that flowers and crawls upon it.

Like Howard Beale, I'm as mad as Hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore. Rather, I'm going to devote the rest of my life to compiling readers' remarks and suggestions and using them to reach the broadest possible audience with the message that it would not be out of character for Seth to compromise the free and open nature of public discourse. His cowardly attacks not only demean his victims, they dehumanize all of us and are contrary to the principles of a free society, but, as you know, if history follows its course, it should be evident that he wants to relabel millions of people as "picayunish". Alas, that's a mere ripple on the inattentive ocean of pessimism in which Seth will drown any attempt to strip the unjust power from those who seek power over others and over nature. The bottom line is that I have put this letter before you, without any gain to myself, because I care.

[aspire1670]

Today the NRA showed that they are pure, fucking, evil.

Uh huh. The NRA presents the ONLY plan that has any chance whatsoever of preventing copycat attacks in the next few days, weeks or month and THEY are evil?

Don't be an asshat.

Even if we all agree that better mental health services and gun bans are appropriate, it will take DECADES before any such plan has the slightest effect on preventing school attacks.

Crazy people are everywhere, and even if we could just round them up and lock them away, it would still take DECADES to do so.

Guns are everywhere, and even if you outright banned every firearm in the country it would take DECADES to go and try to find and collect them all.

Absolutely the ONLY way to even have a chance at preventing such attacks in the short term is to place armed guards in every school in America, just like they do in Israel. Nothing else will have any hope of actually preventing an attack by a deranged gunman.

From there, mandatory hardening of schools to keep killers from breaking out windows to gain access by the simple expedient of making every school's entryway bullet-proof and a remotely lockable "man trap", followed by hardening of classroom doors with ballistic armor and adequate locking mechanisms (throw-bolts, top-and-bottom rods actuated by a level, etc.), followed by automati lockdown systems that will close and lock every classroom door with the push of a button from the office (with due consideration for fire escape routes), hardening of classroom walls for ballistic protection and then installation of compartmentalization barriers in hallways that can partition off the school to keep a gunman from circulating around the building.

All that takes time and money, but the very FIRST thing to do is to put armed guards (be they police officers or trained, certified civilians) in every school and available for every minute the children are at school.

I really don't see how or why you or anyone else would object to this most obvious and sensible suggestion. It must just be that you have an unreasoning, insane hatred for the NRA and can't get past it to see how reasonable and necessary their suggestion is.

This demonization of the NRA is typical Marxist Progressive disinformation and ideological propaganda. It demonstrates amply that Obama and the rest of the gun-banners don't give a fuck about schoolchildren or protecting them, they just want to use the murders to advance their universal disarmament agenda. In fact, it also explains why Obama quietly let tens of millions of dollars a year of federal funding for improving school security expire without any comment at all.

The gun-banners have been waiting for just such an inevitable massacre so that they can rub their hands together in glee at what they perceive as a golden opportunity to ban guns. They WANT more children massacred, because that's how they will get what they want, and they consider those kids to be acceptable collateral damage in their war on guns, and to them the children are martyrs to the cause of disarming the citizenry.

THAT is fucking evil.

LOLWUT Armed guards in every school? And when the next massacre occurs on a school bus, or on (insert lication) you place armed guards there? Seth's vision sounds more like Soviet Russia. Take the responsibility for self defence away from the individual citizen and place it in the hands of a state appointed individual. I'm begining to think that young Seth is a Soviet sleeper planted in the USA to undermine the sacred Constitution.

[Blind groper]

A little extra information.
http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111263/me ... carry-guns#

I quote :

“In America alone, gun massacres, most often of children, happen with hideous regularity.” Mother Jones calculates that there have been 62 mass shootings in the U.S. in the past three decades alone. Of the 25 worst mass shootings worldwide in the last half-century, 15 occurred in the U.S.—no other country had more than two—and this year was our deadliest.

The land of the gun is also the land of the gun victim. You cannot have one without the other. More guns mean more gun crime. More murders. More suicides. More massacres. More maimings.

[amused]

The NRA and everyone who supports the are pure fucking evil and deserve no place in decent society.

[Blind groper]

If you have a town with an infestation of rattlesnakes, you do not fix it by bringing in more snakes. You kill snakes or remove them.

If you have a nation with an infestation of firearms, firearm users, and firearm crime, you do not fix it with more guns. You remove guns to reduce the problem.

[JimC]

A little extra information.
http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111263/me ... carry-guns#

I quote :

“In America alone, gun massacres, most often of children, happen with hideous regularity.” Mother Jones calculates that there have been 62 mass shootings in the U.S. in the past three decades alone. Of the 25 worst mass shootings worldwide in the last half-century, 15 occurred in the U.S.—no other country had more than two—and this year was our deadliest.

The land of the gun is also the land of the gun victim. You cannot have one without the other. More guns mean more gun crime. More murders. More suicides. More massacres. More maimings.

[Gallstones]

If you have a town with an infestation of rattlesnakes, you do not fix it by bringing in more snakes. You kill snakes or remove them.

If you have a nation with an infestation of firearms, firearm users, and firearm crime, you do not fix it with more guns. You remove guns to reduce the problem.

From Wiki

Kingsnakes are colubrid snake members of the Lampropeltis genus.

Kingsnakes use constriction to kill their prey and tend to be opportunistic when it comes to their diet; they will eat other snakes (ophiophagy), including venomous snakes, lizards, rodents, birds and eggs. The common kingsnake is known to be immune to the venom of other snakes and to eat rattlesnakes,

[aspire1670]

If you have a town with an infestation of rattlesnakes, you do not fix it by bringing in more snakes. You kill snakes or remove them.

If you have a nation with an infestation of firearms, firearm users, and firearm crime, you do not fix it with more guns. You remove guns to reduce the problem.

From Wiki

Kingsnakes are colubrid snake members of the Lampropeltis genus.

Kingsnakes use constriction to kill their prey and tend to be opportunistic when it comes to their diet; they will eat other snakes (ophiophagy), including venomous snakes, lizards, rodents, birds and eggs. The common kingsnake is known to be immune to the venom of other snakes and to eat rattlesnakes,

Analogy fail
Shorter Gallstones, "you don't remove guns by removing guns you get more guns to not remove more guns." Aaaaand cue the fainting couch............

[Gawdzilla Sama]

A little extra information.
http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111263/me ... carry-guns#

I quote :

“In America alone, gun massacres, most often of children, happen with hideous regularity.” Mother Jones calculates that there have been 62 mass shootings in the U.S. in the past three decades alone. Of the 25 worst mass shootings worldwide in the last half-century, 15 occurred in the U.S.—no other country had more than two—and this year was our deadliest.

The land of the gun is also the land of the gun victim. You cannot have one without the other. More guns mean more gun crime. More murders. More suicides. More massacres. More maimings.

"worldwide"? Bullshit. Uganda anyone? Yugoslavia? Mother Jones is trying too hard, even for a lefty publication.

[FBM]

Rwanda? Honduras? N. Korea? Mexico?

[aspire1670]

A little extra information.
http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/111263/me ... carry-guns#

I quote :

“In America alone, gun massacres, most often of children, happen with hideous regularity.” Mother Jones calculates that there have been 62 mass shootings in the U.S. in the past three decades alone. Of the 25 worst mass shootings worldwide in the last half-century, 15 occurred in the U.S.—no other country had more than two—and this year was our deadliest.

The land of the gun is also the land of the gun victim. You cannot have one without the other. More guns mean more gun crime. More murders. More suicides. More massacres. More maimings.

"worldwide"? Bullshit. Uganda anyone? Yugoslavia? Mother Jones is trying too hard, even for a lefty publication.

Apples and oranges? I think you'll find a state of war existed in those three countries. Unless you're implying that the US is a uniquely evil country where fewer guns would lead to more gun massacres?

[FBM]

That whole "comparing apples and oranges" argument is just a way to separate richer white people from poorer brown people. People are people. We're run by the same emotions. Most firearms deaths happen in the lower economic class, anyway, iirc.

[aspire1670]

That whole "comparing apples and oranges" argument is just a way to separate richer white people from poorer brown people. People are people. We're run by the same emotions. Most firearms deaths happen in the lower economic class, anyway, iirc.

LOLWUT

What is it about the proposition that firearms cause firearms deaths do you not understand? Take your time.

[FBM]

That whole "comparing apples and oranges" argument is just a way to separate richer white people from poorer brown people. People are people. We're run by the same emotions. Most firearms deaths happen in the lower economic class, anyway, iirc.

LOLWUT

What is it about the proposition that firearms cause firearms deaths do you not understand? Take your time.

What is it about cultural arrogance and elitism that you don't understand? Take your time.

[aspire1670]

That whole "comparing apples and oranges" argument is just a way to separate richer white people from poorer brown people. People are people. We're run by the same emotions. Most firearms deaths happen in the lower economic class, anyway, iirc.

LOLWUT

What is it about the proposition that firearms cause firearms deaths do you not understand? Take your time.

What is it about cultural arrogance and elitism that you don't understand? Take your time.

LOLWUT, again. I understand your cultural arrogance and elitism all too well. They are why you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Shorter FBM "poorer people of colour are more likely to be shot to death therefore guns are a good thing for poorer people of colour to own rather than seek to meliorate the social inequalities between rich and poor. Therefore white people should keep as many guns as possible." You're a twofer: a racist and a gun nutz. Well done.