Restricting constitutional feeedoms.

[Animavore]

Never mind that a person not trained in threat response is much more likely to freeze-up, be unable to bring their weapon to bear before they're shot, or shoot innocent people before being shot themselves, than to actually pull a quick-draw and put a bullet through the forehead of the gunman in less than .75 seconds.

I suppose it's possible they could be out of danger and come running in, weapon already drawn and ready to fire. I still give them poor odds on actually hitting the gunman before they're killed unless they manage to take him by surprise. Perhaps waiting outside the schoolroom until he's done with all the kids in there and makes to leave.

Not everyone is of a temperament that they could do the job of course. Assign those who are.
If teachers or school admin then such persons should be volunteers--in that they come forward and nominate themselves--and they should undergo regular tactical training. If not in school personnel then create positions for professional security or sub contract law enforcement.

My county had a grant funded position in the high school for many years, we drew from the county police. One officer was assigned the position and he was on duty during as every other officer. Then the grant dried up.

So your solution is to turn America into a police state?

[Gallstones]

Never mind that a person not trained in threat response is much more likely to freeze-up, be unable to bring their weapon to bear before they're shot, or shoot innocent people before being shot themselves, than to actually pull a quick-draw and put a bullet through the forehead of the gunman in less than .75 seconds.

I suppose it's possible they could be out of danger and come running in, weapon already drawn and ready to fire. I still give them poor odds on actually hitting the gunman before they're killed unless they manage to take him by surprise. Perhaps waiting outside the schoolroom until he's done with all the kids in there and makes to leave.

Not everyone is of a temperament that they could do the job of course. Assign those who are.
If teachers or school admin then such persons should be volunteers--in that they come forward and nominate themselves--and they should undergo regular tactical training. If not in school personnel then create positions for professional security or sub contract law enforcement.

My county had a grant funded position in the high school for many years, we drew from the county police. One officer was assigned the position and he was on duty during as every other officer. Then the grant dried up.

So your solution is to turn America into a police state?

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[Jason]

Well it was Seth's suggestion that schools be made into maximum security facilities (much like prisons except they shouldn't look like one and the inmates get to leave at the end of the day).

[Animavore]

What with the segregated cliques and the sodomy and everything?

[Jason]

Say what?

[Animavore]

I've seen Oz. I know what goes on in those places.

[MrJonno]

Your theory is like suggesting that it's better for the sheep that they have no defense against wolves. If sheep had a quick reactions, canine teeth and feline claws, that would be "worse" for the sheep because some of them might attack a wolf first?

No I'm suggesting that the sheep and the wolves are the same people and better to make sure they are all declawed

[Gallstones]

You've been thinking about this a lot, haven't you?


As the evil gunman, you'd have to know who the designated defenders are.
I suggest that that be kept out of the public knowledge and such person not wear anything that designates them--no uniform, no badge, no fancy hat with patches.

Suppose the gunman is the son of a teacher at the school. Suppose she knows who is trained and designated to serve the school garrison. Suppose he finds out through her who they are?

Loose lips sink ships. I find it hard to believe that in planning an attack the gunman would find it very difficult to discover who the garrison is. Probably along with where they'll be at a given time of day and what they're carrying, or where their firearms are safely stored. I would think it practically impossible to keep it secret with a few hundred observant and chatty kids in the facility.

There would be more than one such officer in place.
Any staff who disclosed this information, should be fired and prosecuted if they aren't shot by the evil bad guy.
Any staff who had close family with psychological or intellectual disabilities would be ineligible.
One firearm would be safely stored on their persons.

[Jason]

Any staff who had close family with psychological or intellectual disabilities would be ineligible.

Ineligible to be teachers I suppose.

[pErvinalia]

There is something seriously fucked with any individual that even thinks of self defence , sod banning guns I would ban any martial arts that advertises itself as 'self defence'. If they want to advertise as a sport or a way of keeping fair enough but if they in any way advertise is a way to hit people outside competitions or an arena is should be banned.



Sheesh. You really are afraid of everything, aren't you?

Only people who go around prepared for self defence

What the fuck are you talking about? Preserving one's own life is one of the most basic inherent traits of all animals.

[Jason]

There is something seriously fucked with any individual that even thinks of self defence , sod banning guns I would ban any martial arts that advertises itself as 'self defence'. If they want to advertise as a sport or a way of keeping fair enough but if they in any way advertise is a way to hit people outside competitions or an arena is should be banned.



Sheesh. You really are afraid of everything, aren't you?

Only people who go around prepared for self defence

What the fuck are you talking about? Preserving one's own life is one of the most basic inherent traits of all animals.

Naturalistic fallacy.

[pErvinalia]

The attitude that you are responsible for your defence, not the police or army. Sure they may fail you but life is tough

Gonzales v. Castle Rock ... SCOTUS ...

Why do people like mozg, Seth, and other Black Guards of gun ownership always ignore what is a theoretical question of what should be [subjunctive] and repurpose it to a discussion of what has been?

Because what has been is what should be.

Yes, slavery should make a come back.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel, isn't it?

[pErvinalia]

There is something seriously fucked with any individual that even thinks of self defence , sod banning guns I would ban any martial arts that advertises itself as 'self defence'. If they want to advertise as a sport or a way of keeping fair enough but if they in any way advertise is a way to hit people outside competitions or an arena is should be banned.



Sheesh. You really are afraid of everything, aren't you?

Only people who go around prepared for self defence

What the fuck are you talking about? Preserving one's own life is one of the most basic inherent traits of all animals.

Naturalistic fallacy.

It would only be a naturalistic fallacy if you can prove that trying to survive is a bad thing. There is no moralising without life. First you've got to have life.

[Jason]

Wrong. You're arguing that it is good becuz animals do it. It's nature, therefore good. Naturalistic fallacy dood.

[pErvinalia]

Or that they don't even know what their state constitution says. I don't know what mine says.

That is easily rectified by obtaining a copy and reading it.

Here is a helpful link http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/inconst.html

You may want to think about how Section 32 in Article I aligns with your viewpoints on gun control.

Basic civics is really lacking in most people. Most people, I would guess, don't even know that there is a difference between a state constitution and the federal constitution. For some reason, the public schools don't teach about the structure of the American government, how federalism works, and how the President is elected, etc.

There's a reason for that. I know you don't want to hear it, but it's true. Civics has not fallen by the wayside of public education, it's been deliberately elided and replaced with Marxist indoctrination. The left-wing school teachers and administrators don't want kids growing up knowing they have civil rights and that the central government is intended to be closely constrained by the Constitution so as to maximize individual liberty as much as possible, because that doesn't fit with the Marxist agenda of breeding new generations of pliable, obedient proletarian dependents who will obey their leaders without any independent thought.