27 dead at Connecticut school, including 14 kids

[Twoflower]

Fakuname, these posts http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 5#p1342415 http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 4#p1342434 http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 9#p1342479
http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 2#p1342482 are in violation of our personal attack rule http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3449. This is a warning to please follow the rules. If you continue to break the rules you may be suspended.

[Jason]

Fakuname, these posts are in violation of our personal attack rule

Yep. They are.

[Jason]

Făkünamę, as long as we're all sharing our feelings, I must say, I find myself agreeing with a lot of what you've written, and I actually kinda like you, sorta. Strange, given our earlier dialogue.

Anyway, have some popcorn on the house.



(Uncle Orph'sTM popcorn - "the friendly snack" )

Thanks, I suppose.

[aspire1670]

It wasn't unarmed until about 1921 when Britain started banning handguns. Before then, concealed handguns were quite common in the UK.

And the point is not what tools one carries, it's where the authority to enforce the law emanates from. Here's a clue: it doesn't emanate from government, because government authority is derived from the consent of the governed, and only from their consent, and all authority emanates from the People to begin with, including the authority to enforce the law, which authority is granted to government on a co-equal basis, it is not abdicated by the People to the government.

In short, government is the servant of the people and has only that power and authority granted to it by the people, a grant which may be revoked at the will of the people and an authority which may be exercised by the people because it is theirs to begin with.

Wrong again, Seth my boy, the British police service has never been an armed service but thanks for the handwaving, we all laughed at home. As the Founding Fathers said, If you handwave you should never own a gun. True fact.

[Tero]

We just need to get the Gubment to have Seth organize his militia. Like the amendment says. No stinking badges for solo vigilantes.

[devogue]

I would like to apologise to Făkünamę.

My initital "lol" which started the tit for tat between us was a response to the "anti gun nut" comment. I am anti guns, but I don't see myself as a nut or extremist and I objected to what I felt was unfair labelling.

However, I should have said as much instead of posting that smart-arsed "lol" which kicked things off. It also didn't help that I was merry on a bottle of wine after my twentieth straight twelve hour day at work - classic alcohol and internet warbling ends with severe and deserved embarrassment.

Făkünamę was quite correct to call me a fucking asshole because I was a fucking asshole - I didn't report him, and although I know the rules are the rules I would like to see the reference to his personal attack removed from above if possible.

Anyway - sorry again for any upset caused, especially to Făkünamę.

[tattuchu]

Dev, for what it's worth, I thought you were just using dark humor to point out the absurdity of the gun enthusiast stance.

[devogue]

Dev, for what it's worth, I thought you were just using dark humor to point out the absurdity of the gun enthusiast stance.

I was trying to be funny, smart and have a dig about something we all feel emotional about while I was knackered and drunk.

What I managed to do was make a dick of myself and upset people unnecessarily. All I can do now is apologise and promise to do my best to step back from intense debates like this in the future when I should be relaxing and enjoying myself elsewhere.

Thanks for the comment Tat, but I was dead wrong and I want to make that very clear.

[Blind groper]

A simple lol is not sufficient provocation for bad behaviour. Many of us have received far worse than that without retaliating.

[Kristie]

A simple lol is not sufficient provocation for bad behaviour. Many of us have received far worse than that without retaliating.

Tell me about it!

[FBM]

Quick question to those with military backgrounds: If I walk onto a military base, how many armed people can I expect to encounter? Assuming the base is in a non-combat area, I mean. (I have no military background.) Do the rank-and-file carry their weapons around with them all the time, or only a few guards at the gates?

[klr]

Quick question to those with military backgrounds: If I walk onto a military base, how many armed people can I expect to encounter? Assuming the base is in a non-combat area, I mean. (I have no military background.) Do the rank-and-file carry their weapons around with them all the time, or only a few guards at the gates?

Option B I suspect, which would help explain that massacre last year.

[mozg]

Quick question to those with military backgrounds: If I walk onto a military base, how many armed people can I expect to encounter? Assuming the base is in a non-combat area, I mean. (I have no military background.) Do the rank-and-file carry their weapons around with them all the time, or only a few guards at the gates?

Outside military police and civilian police who are on the base performing some official duty, the only place you're going to find people carrying or using guns is the base firing range. The soldiers don't walk around armed, and in fact are prohibited from doing so. Civilians cannot be armed. Firearms may depending on the base be declared at the gate and kept locked in a secure container in the glove box or trunk of the vehicle. Also, depending on base procedures, they will inspect the trunk randomly or will inspect every trunk. The carrying of personally owned firearms on military bases within the United States has been illegal under federal law since 1993.

Soldiers who live on the base and privately own arms have to go through procedures to check them in and out of the armory to go hunting or take them off the base. They are not permitted to keep their own arms in the barracks. Other base housing, they have to generally get written permission to store personally owned firearms there. Personal firearms kept in the armory or in military housing require registration with Military Housing and written authorization.

I am not in the military, however, I am a DOD contractor and have spent more than a little time on various military bases throughout the country.

[FBM]

Quick question to those with military backgrounds: If I walk onto a military base, how many armed people can I expect to encounter? Assuming the base is in a non-combat area, I mean. (I have no military background.) Do the rank-and-file carry their weapons around with them all the time, or only a few guards at the gates?

Outside military police and civilian police who are on the base performing some official duty, the only place you're going to find people carrying or using guns is the base firing range. The soldiers don't walk around armed, and in fact are prohibited from doing so. Civilians cannot be armed. Firearms may depending on the base be declared at the gate and kept locked in a secure container in the glove box or trunk of the vehicle. Also, depending on base procedures, they will inspect the trunk randomly or will inspect every trunk. The carrying of personally owned firearms on military bases within the United States has been illegal under federal law since 1993.

Soldiers who live on the base and privately own arms have to go through procedures to check them in and out of the armory to go hunting or take them off the base. They are not permitted to keep their own arms in the barracks. Other base housing, they have to generally get written permission to store personally owned firearms there. Personal firearms kept in the armory or in military housing require registration with Military Housing and written authorization.

I am not in the military, however, I am a DOD contractor and have spent more than a little time on various military bases throughout the country.

Holy hip-shot, mozg. That's more info than I'd hoped for. Gracias!

[mozg]

Holy hip-shot, mozg. That's more info than I'd hoped for. Gracias!

Forgot to mention 'sentry duty', but those soldiers on bases inside the US and not in a combat zone are typically carrying rifles that do not have magazines inserted, or have empty magazines inserted.

And you're welcome.