Guns Used.....cont

[Svartalf]

Say, then, that concealed carry holders should be required to train the same way - 5 day intensive course twice a year -, but also train in marksmanship and threat response one day each month. I'd also suggest psych profiling every 6 months in addition to it being performed before the license is issued.

Also each gun owner ought to register as a de facto member of an established state or city militia? because what you advocate equates to it... that's what used to be done in the past for militiamen, that chimmes with the first part of the amendment text, and if you require people to train, you have to create a framing structure anyway.

Your hyperbole is not so far from the truth. As defenders of concealed carry will always argue that they're essentially civilian police, they ought to be held to the same standards.

carriers are 'civilian police'? Beg pardon, who's doing the hyperbole foxtrot here?

[Jason]

What would you call it when they claim they carry to defend themselves and others (though, admittedly, more themselves)? When they claim that concealed carry holders stop crimes - not just deterring them, but crimes in progress?

I call it acting as police officers and I don't call that hyperbole.

[Svartalf]

Self defence has nothing to do with police work. Police intervene in crimes they aren't involved with, and hove S&S and arrest powers no common citizen can ever match in his wettest power trip dreams.

[Jason]

[Tero]

assault rifle saves man
search:
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off& ... 24&bih=643

oops, I guess not

[Seth]

assault rifle saves man
search:
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off& ... 24&bih=643

oops, I guess not

Er, I rather suspect that the police had "assault rifles" which they used to stop the deranged killer. If I'd been in a position to use one of my "assault rifles" (or sniper rifles, or handguns) to stop such a deranged killer, I would have done so as well. So would most other CCW permitees I know.

[Seth]

Self defence has nothing to do with police work. Police intervene in crimes they aren't involved with, and hove S&S and arrest powers no common citizen can ever match in his wettest power trip dreams.

No they don't. My "arrest powers" are exactly identical to those of a police officer for any crime that I witness, including the power to use physical force to effect an arrest, and to use deadly force if necessary and lawful.

"Self defense" applies to the defense of others who may be unable to defend themselves as well, something you don't appear to understand.

[Jason]

assault rifle saves man
search:
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off& ... 24&bih=643

oops, I guess not

Er, I rather suspect that the police had "assault rifles" which they used to stop the deranged killer. If I'd been in a position to use one of my "assault rifles" (or sniper rifles, or handguns) to stop such a deranged killer, I would have done so as well. So would most other CCW permitees I know.

[Seth]

assault rifle saves man
search:
https://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off& ... 24&bih=643

oops, I guess not

Er, I rather suspect that the police had "assault rifles" which they used to stop the deranged killer. If I'd been in a position to use one of my "assault rifles" (or sniper rifles, or handguns) to stop such a deranged killer, I would have done so as well. So would most other CCW permitees I know.

Just because you can't imagine placing yourself at risk for the safety of others doesn't mean that's a universal attribute of mankind, fortunately.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Seeth, you won't even spare a fuckin' dollar for "others".

[Seth]

Seeth, you won't even spare a fuckin' dollar for "others".

Liar.

I give plenty of time and money to others, always have. But it's my fucking choice to do so, not yours, and certainly not Obama's or any other government functionary's.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Pettifogging.

[Seth]

Crime
Gun-Carrying Arizona Man Helps Nab Bank Robber — And All He Had to Do Was Show the Suspect He Was Armed

Posted on December 18, 2012 at 10:45pm by Jason Howerton Jason Howerton


Gun Carrying Arizona Man Dave Young Helps Nab Bank Robber in Flagstaff

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A gun-carrying man in Flagstaff, Ariz. is being credited with helping stop a bank robbery suspect — but he never even had to pull out his gun.

Dave Young was driving up to the Arizona Central Credit Union branch when he saw a friend’s son trying to stop a man jumping over a fence.

Young says he quickly confirmed a bank robbery had occurred and took off after the two in his vehicle.

The Arizona Daily Sun reports Young caught up with the pair and placed his hand on his sidearm, showing the suspect that he was armed. He didn’t pull his gun — but he was ready if he needed to.

Young called 911 and police took the suspect, later identified as 32-year-old Joshua Nesmith, into custody.

“I provided cover for him. If the suspect had tried to pull a weapon I could have stopped him,” Young said. “I told him don’t move. I looked him over for weapons and visually inspected the suspect, then called 911.”

In Arizona, gun owners can carry a concealed or exposed weapon without a permit or training. Young says he’s held a concealed carry permit since 1998. He also said carrying a firearm is the responsibility of able-bodied, law-abiding men.

“I think it’s important if you’re a male with a clean record to protect your community,” Young added. “You should be ready to do something like this if possible.”

However, he went on to say that individuals who carry concealed handguns should receive the same amount of training he has. That training, he explained, taught him how to handle a gun and provided him with the mental and emotional control needed not to draw his weapon unless it is absolutely necessary.

“I didn’t pull the weapon. Nobody got shot,” he said.

Young disagrees with anti-gun advocates calling for stricter gun control in the aftermath of last week’s tragic school shooting in Newtown, Conn. He said it is important to know that responsible gun owners exist and they can have a positive impact on their communities.

“As soon as I leave work, my pistol is at my side, and it doesn’t leave my side unless I’m about to go into a place that doesn’t allow it,” he told the Daily Sun. “Would you feel better if you were shot with a 10-round magazine instead of 30?…If criminals are going to have them, responsible citizens should be able to have them.”

Source

[Kristie]

If flashing a gun is all you need to do to stop the bad guys, why not carry fakes?

[mozg]

If flashing a gun is all you need to do to stop the bad guys, why not carry fakes?

If you want to carry a fake gun, go for it. You might want to paint over the orange tip so the bad guys will take longer to figure out that it's fake.

I'll stick with a real gun, since it is impossible to tell beforehand whether any situation will be one in which you've got to do more than just flash some plastic to stop the attack.