devogue wrote:Gallstones wrote:I don't know if you can read this if you are not a registered member, so I will quote the post.
Posted in the thread: WTF is going on???school shooting.
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tricolordad wrote: If the teachers were armed, they would still be victims. The teachers unions and the brady campaign walk hand in hand. There would have been one gun, kept in the principals office, unloaded with a cable lock through the action, trigger lock through the trigger guard, wire tie through the barrel with the magazine kept under lock and key in the vice principals office, and one bullet with each teacher, kept in a capsule up their rear beneath a chastity belt. And even then, with an active shooter on campus, the vice principal would be required to see 3 forms of ID, your birth certificate, do a background check, file paperwork, review school security policies, consult the administrator, call 911, personally inform every parent via phone....
I like that, but as applied to the entire population - one gun per person, kept in the office of one heavily vetted person rather than individually handled, unloaded with a cable lock through the action, trigger lock through the trigger guard, wire tie through the barrel with the magazine kept under lock and key in the heavily vetted person's office, one bullet per person, kept in a capsule up their rear beneath a chastity belt...for use the heavily vetted person would be required to see 3 forms of ID, your birth certificate, do a background check, file paperwork, review school security policies, consult the administrator, call 911, personally inform everyone in your community before releasing the gun....
Obama should push for that be legislated as soon as possible. It might just help prevent the next slaughter of the innocents.
No it won't, it'll just further ensure that the only person with a gun in the room is the deranged killer because, you see, deranged killers don't obey the law and keep the gun they stole locked up and unloaded. They ignore the law entirely, steal a gun, shoot through non-ballistic glass to gain entry to a school, where they know NOBODY has a gun, and they march about shooting children because NOBODY CAN STOP THEM in the few minutes it takes them to complete their agenda. Then, when the only people who CAN stop them (the police) get close (as at Sandy Hook) they smile at their evil immortality and blow their brains out. Happens nearly every time.
Are you really so stupid that you can't understand this simple fact?
The common themes here are:
Deranged killers obtain guns unlawfully and ignore all gun control laws.
Deranged killers pick venues where they can be reasonably certain that they will have 3 to six minutes or more to shoot people without being interrupted or interfered with by anyone with a gun who can stop their killing spree.
The people in the chosen venues are helpless targets because nobody has a gun with which to engage the shooter to prevent or delay his attack, by law, because legislatures and teacher's unions don't like the idea of schools becoming "prisons" or "armed camps," which evidently bothers them more than murdered children.
The venues are not properly hardened to prevent an armed deranged killer from gaining initial entry to the building, and they are not constructed so as to instantly segment the facility into isolated "pods" with automatic barriers which keep the killer from circulating through the building. This is a function of improper analysis of risk by school boards, who all succumb to the "it can't happen here" mental defect and fiscal parsimony on the part of the school boards, the states, and the federal government. President Obama allowed nearly a billion dollars in federal grants to schools for upgrading security to quietly expire in 2010 and 2011. These funds had been allocated by Congress in order to harden and improve school security after Columbine.
Why did Obama do that? I'd say because Obama and the Democrats WANTED another school massacre so that they can do exactly what they are doing now, dancing on the graves of the dead children so that they can forward their larger (and to them more important) gun ban agenda.
To summarize, those children died because of ineffective and incompetent risk analysis and response by the government (school districts, states and federal government) not because there are too many "assault weapons" in the US. Of all the tens of millions of such weapons in circulation today (including hundreds or thousands more each day as people buy them up before a ban is enacted...so much so that you can't even order one anymore, you just have to be there at the gun store when they are delivered, it's first come, first served and manufacturers can't keep up with the demand) fewer than a dozen have actually been used in mass killings. Ban manufacture and sale tomorrow and there's still probably 100 million such arms in circulation and it's flatly impossible to seize all those weapons because the public wouldn't stand for it.
And if deranged killers don't have guns, they will just load a pesticide sprayer up with gasoline, walk into a classroom and spray everyone with gasoline and light a match, or build a propane tank bomb, or drive a truck through the school.
The obvious solution to school massacres is to:
Arm select teachers, administrators and staff members and train them properly and/or hire plainclothes qualified armed guards, and
harden schools against terrorist attacks like they do in Israel.
These shooting are precisely and exactly terrorist attacks. Just because they are not politically or religiously motivated doesn't mean that the tactics and intentions are not exactly the same. If it's not a deranged person it'll be Al Quaeda or some other terrorist group, who are KNOWN to have planned school bombings and shootings as terror tactics.
So, let's take that threat seriously and protect the schools like we protect the Pentagon or CIA or White House.
Obama can and should divert ALL federal funding for schools for the next 4 years to hardening and physical redesign of schools and the building of, if necessary, a School Antiterrorism Security Administration which recruits, trains, pays the salaries of and provides to every school in the nation a cadre of highly-trained armed officers whose sole duty is to protect schools. If the feds can do it with airports with the TSA, they can do it for schools, perhaps using military veterans as the core group.
That's how to deal with this problem.
Of course, I'd rather see such security agencies built at the state level, using state funds, but somebody's got to do it.
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