Guns Used.....cont

[Jason]

If concealed carry is allowed, attending such a course should be mandatory once a month to keep the license.

[mozg]

How many concealed carry holders train and practice? Never mind under stress. Never mind the sort of strenuous training police officers go through on a regular basis.

How many of those missed shots are likely to wound or injure an innocent bystander?

The average cop doesn't get that much 'strenuous training' with firearms unless they're going out and taking courses on their own. Many, many of them only fire enough rounds in a year to take their annual qualification test. Unless you're talking specialties like SWAT, the whole elite training of police officers thing is a myth.

The courses, though, are a lot of fun. I've taken several and done pretty well with it.

The 71 year-old man in the Internet cafe in FL hit 0 bystanders.

The NYPD hit 9 of them trying to subdue a suspect outside the Empire State Building in August. The NYPD fired 'at least' 14 shots and hit nine bystanders. That's what a lack of actual training gets you, though.

If concealed carry is allowed, attending such a course should be mandatory once a month to keep the license.

That's a lot more than the firearms training that is required to be a police officer.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If concealed carry is allowed, attending such a course should be mandatory once a month to keep the license.

The FBI goes every six months. I know the course they use here in Missouri. Sweet fun.

[Jason]

The 71 year-old man in the Internet cafe in FL hit 0 bystanders.

By sheer luck and good fortune.

If concealed carry is allowed, attending such a course should be mandatory once a month to keep the license.

That's a lot more than the firearms training that is required to be a police officer.

If your contention is correct, and I don't believe it is, then quite obviously standards for police training need to be upped considerably.

[Jason]

If concealed carry is allowed, attending such a course should be mandatory once a month to keep the license.

The FBI goes every six months. I know the course they use here in Missouri. Sweet fun.

What sort of agents are we talking about here? Field agents or pencil pushers?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If concealed carry is allowed, attending such a course should be mandatory once a month to keep the license.

The FBI goes every six months. I know the course they use here in Missouri. Sweet fun.

What sort of agents are we talking about here? Field agents or pencil pushers?

The entire state's assigned agents go in two shifts, one after the other, one week at a time. (Five days, actually.) One side of the state goes to KC, the other comes here. Ayaan has been by the area several times, but never noticed.

[Jason]

I can't find information on their training regimen, except for the agents that are actually expected to be in serious combat situations who train regularly and much more intensively.

Sounds like you're bringing up a red-herring by way of mentioning a twice-a-year refresher for all agents, pencil pushers included.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I can't find information on their training regimen, except for the agents that are actually expected to be in serious combat situations who train regularly and much more intensively.

Sounds like you're bringing up a red-herring by way of mentioning a twice-a-year refresher for all agents, pencil pushers included.

Why? Any agent can be called out if there's a major problem. The agents, btw, don't include the clerical staff. If that's what mean by pencil-pushers, then no, the secretaries don't do combat training. But I would hesitate to go against most of the agents in this state, I've seen their scores.

[Jason]

Fine, I'm not going to argue a point I can't find information on.

Say, then, that concealed carry holders should be required to train the same way - 5 day intensive course twice a year -, but also train in marksmanship and threat response one day each month. I'd also suggest psych profiling every 6 months in addition to it being performed before the license is issued.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Fine, I'm not going to argue a point I can't find information on.

Say, then, that concealed carry holders should be required to train the same way - 5 day intensive course twice a year -, but also train in marksmanship and threat response one day each month. I'd also suggest psych profiling every 6 months in addition to it being performed before the license is issued.

I think you'd have trouble getting that program instituted, from moderates as well as conservatives.

[Svartalf]

Say, then, that concealed carry holders should be required to train the same way - 5 day intensive course twice a year -, but also train in marksmanship and threat response one day each month. I'd also suggest psych profiling every 6 months in addition to it being performed before the license is issued.

Also each gun owner ought to register as a de facto member of an established state or city militia? because what you advocate equates to it... that's what used to be done in the past for militiamen, that chimmes with the first part of the amendment text, and if you require people to train, you have to create a framing structure anyway.

[Jason]

Fine, I'm not going to argue a point I can't find information on.

Say, then, that concealed carry holders should be required to train the same way - 5 day intensive course twice a year -, but also train in marksmanship and threat response one day each month. I'd also suggest psych profiling every 6 months in addition to it being performed before the license is issued.

I think you'd have trouble getting that program instituted, from moderates as well as conservatives.

Conservatives of course, but why moderates? What's so objectionable about ensuring people licensed to pack heat are qualified to use it and are not psychological time bombs?

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Say, then, that concealed carry holders should be required to train the same way - 5 day intensive course twice a year -, but also train in marksmanship and threat response one day each month. I'd also suggest psych profiling every 6 months in addition to it being performed before the license is issued.

Also each gun owner ought to register as a de facto member of an established state or city militia? because what you advocate equates to it... that's what used to be done in the past for militiamen, that chimmes with the first part of the amendment text, and if you require people to train, you have to create a framing structure anyway.

The US has a poor history of training militia.

[Jason]

Say, then, that concealed carry holders should be required to train the same way - 5 day intensive course twice a year -, but also train in marksmanship and threat response one day each month. I'd also suggest psych profiling every 6 months in addition to it being performed before the license is issued.

Also each gun owner ought to register as a de facto member of an established state or city militia? because what you advocate equates to it... that's what used to be done in the past for militiamen, that chimmes with the first part of the amendment text, and if you require people to train, you have to create a framing structure anyway.

Your hyperbole is not so far from the truth. As defenders of concealed carry will always argue that they're essentially civilian police, they ought to be held to the same standards.

[Svartalf]

Say, then, that concealed carry holders should be required to train the same way - 5 day intensive course twice a year -, but also train in marksmanship and threat response one day each month. I'd also suggest psych profiling every 6 months in addition to it being performed before the license is issued.

Also each gun owner ought to register as a de facto member of an established state or city militia? because what you advocate equates to it... that's what used to be done in the past for militiamen, that chimmes with the first part of the amendment text, and if you require people to train, you have to create a framing structure anyway.

The US has a poor history of training militia.

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